Pac 12 Alliance with ACC and Big Ten - Details. What are the implications?

[azgreg]

I would like to remind everyone that my Cats are kicking off this tradition next weekend against teh Fighting Mormons.

 

[duckfandan]

On 8/24/2021 at 9:43 PM, KUGRDON said:

As I said in another post the pact is a mirage.  There is no written document and no enforceable agreement. Three conferences trying to pretend they have as much power as the SEC. Kind of sad

Not saying it'll solve world problems, but there's no agreement because they didn't have time for lawyers at this point in the process.

[glduck]

Looks like we’re going to 8 games? 

[Scscsc89]

"that's the goal"

[clpp01]

I have to wonder if he has actually had any in depth discussions with the schools about dropping down to 8 conference games because the only way you can do that is by getting the California schools on board with only playing 1 of the opposite division CA schools per year instead of both.

[PAC MAN]

On 8/28/2021 at 10:16 AM, clpp01 said:

I have to wonder if he has actually had any in depth discussions with the schools about dropping down to 8 conference games because the only way you can do that is by getting the California schools on board with only playing 1 of the opposite division CA schools per year instead of both.

CU-Cal in 2011 was a non-conference game so I think playing the unscheduled school in non-conference play would be doable in this situation.

[EastCoastFan]

On 8/29/2021 at 2:19 PM, Jalapeno said:

CU-Cal in 2011 was a non-conference game so I think playing the unscheduled school in non-conference play would be doable in this situation.

That was an awkward, one-time event that had been pre-scheduled and should never happen again.

[PAC MAN]

On 8/29/2021 at 3:41 PM, EastCoastFan said:

That was an awkward, one-time event that had been pre-scheduled and should never happen again.

Disagree.  It's not fair to the fanbases of those four California schools to not have their rivalry games.  I speak as someone who is fond of that CU-Nebraska rivalry.  I think that was done with the ACC's NC schools if not at least attempted.

There should be exceptions to rivalry games in those cases.  

[clpp01]

On 8/29/2021 at 11:19 AM, Jalapeno said:

CU-Cal in 2011 was a non-conference game so I think playing the unscheduled school in non-conference play would be doable in this situation.

Problem here would be Stanford & USC as they would have their entire schedule locked up every year, also it would prevent them from having any more than 6 home games in any given season

- 8 conference games

- 2 alliance games

- Missed CA school

- Notre Dame

 

[EastCoastFan]

On 8/29/2021 at 7:05 PM, clpp01 said:

Problem here would be Stanford & USC as they would have their entire schedule locked up every year, also it would prevent them from having any more than 6 home games in any given season

- 8 conference games

- 2 alliance games

- Missed CA school

- Notre Dame

 

No.  Kliavkoff said that the games against Notre Dame, whether they are ACC games or Pac-12 games or B1G games count as Alliance games.

[PAC MAN]

On 8/29/2021 at 5:05 PM, clpp01 said:

Problem here would be Stanford & USC as they would have their entire schedule locked up every year, also it would prevent them from having any more than 6 home games in any given season

- 8 conference games

- 2 alliance games

- Missed CA school

- Notre Dame

 

I believe it was those two that scuttled the PAC-B1G alliance back then.  Just tell them to stop acting like spoiled children and suck it up.

[HLB]

On 8/24/2021 at 1:31 PM, Bruininthebay said:

I'm skeptical that this will be all that significant aside from the upcoming NCAA constitutional convention in November.

full press release below. 

https://pac-12.com/article/2021/08/24/pac-12-acc-and-big-ten-announce-historic-alliance-0

41 World-Class Institutions Across Three Autonomy 5 Conferences to Collaborate on the Future Evolution of College Athletics and an Inter-Conference Scheduling Alliance

GREENSBORO, NC & ROSEMONT, IL & SAN FRANCISCO, CA – The ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 today announced an historic alliance that will bring 41 world-class institutions together on a collaborative approach surrounding the future evolution of college athletics and scheduling.

The alliance – which was unanimously supported by the presidents, chancellors and athletics directors at all 41 institutions – will be guided in all cases by a commitment to, and prioritization of, supporting student-athlete well-being, academic and athletic opportunities, experiences and diverse educational programming. The three conferences are grounded in their support of broad-based athletic programs, the collegiate model and opportunities for student-athletes as part of the educational missions of the institutions.

The three conferences remain competitors in every sense but are committed to collaborating and providing thought leadership on various opportunities and challenges facing college athletics, including:

• Student-athlete mental and physical health, safety, wellness and support
• Strong academic experience and support
• Diversity, equity and inclusion
• Social justice
• Gender equity
• Future structure of the NCAA
• Federal legislative efforts
• Postseason championships and future formats

The alliance includes a scheduling component for football and women’s and men’s basketball designed to create new inter-conference games, enhance opportunities for student-athletes, and optimize the college athletics experience for both student-athletes and fans across the country. The scheduling alliance will begin as soon as practical while honoring current contractual obligations. A working group comprised of athletic directors representing the three conferences will oversee the scheduling component of the alliance, including determining the criteria upon which scheduling decisions will be made. All three leagues and their respective institutions understand that scheduling decisions will be an evolutionary process given current scheduling commitments.

The football scheduling alliance will feature additional attractive matchups across the three conferences while continuing to honor historic rivalries and the best traditions of college football.

In women’s and men’s basketball, the three conferences will add early and mid-season games as well as annual events that feature premier matchups between the three leagues.

The three conferences will also explore opportunities for the vast and exceptional Olympic Sports programs to compete more frequently and forge additional attractive and meaningful rivalries.

The future scheduling component will benefit student-athletes and fans by offering new and memorable experiences that will extend coast-to-coast, across all time zones. The competition will bring a new level of excitement to the fans of the 41 schools while also allowing teams and conferences to have flexibility to continue to play opponents from other conferences, independents and various teams from other subdivisions.

“The ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 recognize the unique environment and challenges currently facing intercollegiate athletics, and we are proud and confident in this timely and necessary alliance that brings together like-minded institutions and conferences focused on the overall educational missions of our preeminent institutions,” said ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips. “The alliance will ensure that the educational outcomes and experiences for student-athletes participating at the highest level of collegiate athletics will remain the driving factor in all decisions moving forward.”

“Student-athletes have been and will remain the focal point of the Big Ten, ACC and PAC-12 Conferences” said Big Ten Commissioner Kevin Warren. “Today, through this alliance, we furthered our commitment to our student-athletes by prioritizing our academics and athletics value systems. We are creating opportunities for student-athletes to have elite competition and are taking the necessary steps to shape and stabilize the future of college athletics.”

“The historic alliance announced today between the Pac-12, ACC and Big Ten is grounded in a commitment to our student-athletes,” said Pac-12 Commissioner George Kliavkoff. “We believe that collaborating together we are stronger in our commitment to addressing the broad issues and opportunities facing college athletics.”

The ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 conferences include:

• World-leading academic institutions committed to the shared values of supporting the next generation of leaders.
• Innovative research that benefits communities around the world.
• 27 of the 34 Autonomy 5 members in Association of American Universities (AAU).
• 34 institutions ranked in the Top 100 national universities by US News & World Report.
• Broad-based athletic and academic programs.
• A long heritage of leadership in diversity, equity and inclusion.
• Over 27,000 student-athletes competing on 863 teams in 31 sports.
• A combined 1,019 NCAA Championships.
• Longstanding relationships across bowl partnerships, men’s and women’s basketball challenges and Olympic Sport events.
• 194 Olympic medals won in Tokyo by current, former and future student-athletes.
• Some of the most iconic and historic venues in college sports.
• Hundreds of millions of dollars in direct annual institutional support of student-athlete scholarships.
• Over $15 billion in annual federal research support, nearly one-third of the total across all colleges and universities.

Quotes from the ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 CEO chairs:

Duke University President & Chair of the ACC Board of Directors Vincent E. Price

“The alliance is first and foremost a statement about the vital connection of academic excellence to college athletics.  Our members include 41 of the top public and private universities in the world which will soon have new ways to compete at the very highest levels in sports, and to collaborate in education, research and service to society.  Together we will be able to use our strong voice and united vision to create the best possible experience for our student-athletes and institutions.”

University of Wisconsin Chancellor and Big Ten Conference Council of Presidents/Chancellors (COP/C) Chair Dr. Rebecca Blank:

“The Big Ten Conference has always prioritized academic excellence as well as athletic excellence for student-athletes. Today’s announcement reinforces the values of integrity, fairness and competitiveness among all members of this alliance and provides additional opportunities for our student-athletes to enhance their collegiate experience.”

University of Oregon President & Chair of the Pac-12 Board of Directors Michael Schill

"The Pac-12 is thrilled to join with so many world-class universities in a collaborative effort to support our student-athletes through an unwavering commitment to excellence in academics and athletics.  Together we can help shape a future for college athletics where broad-based athletic programs in concert with educational opportunities allow us to support the next generation of leaders."

Means nothing and won't impact anything.

[Scorcho]

On 9/6/2021 at 1:17 PM, HLB said:

Means nothing and won't impact anything.

its a great scheduling model, 8 PAC12 conference games and then a game with the ACC and B1G every year, why wouldn't you like that?

[KUGRDON]

Bennett returning to Pullman.  I hadn’t thought of that.

Smith: When he offered me a job in Pullman in 2006 I didn’t know he was going to be the next John Wooden.

[Scscsc89]

Since the big 12 isn’t part of the alliance, it will force them to work more with the SEC, the conference that just fucked them over.

 

[HLB]

On 9/8/2021 at 2:48 PM, Scorcho said:

its a great scheduling model, 8 PAC12 conference games and then a game with the ACC and B1G every year, why wouldn't you like that?

Who said I wouldn't like that?  I'm completely indifferent on that possibility.

The ACC will still play SEC teams (FSU/Florida; Ga-Tech/Georgia; Clemson/SC) .... All mandated by their states.  Furthermore, nothing can take place for at least 5 years.  A lot can (and will) change by then.  Third, there's too much money involved.  Playing SEC teams will generate more money for those conferences, than not playing SEC teams.  Fourth, SEC will still be the dominate conference with respect to playoffs.

Here's what is interesting:  In 2010, the PAC12 tried to lure Texas, TXA&M, Colorado, TX Tech and Oklahoma, while the B1G tried to lure Texas and Oklahoma, along with Nebraska and a couple more Big12 teams - and no one had a problem with their attempts to do so.

Eventually, Colorado went to the PAC12 and Nebraska to the B1G.

Furthermore, the PAC12 has made attempts to lure Texas and/or Oklahoma, and no one has complained about their attempts to do so.

THIS YEAR, the ACC was in discussions with Texas and Oklahoma, when those two schools picked up the phone and called the SEC (the SEC didn't call them).

And NOW, everyone is mad that the SEC got the two schools everyone else coveted, and their mad.

The formula to getting even with the SEC (if that's the goal) is to have teams play better and be better.  The SEC has done nothing other than set the pace that everyone else is trying to keep up with.