PapaG Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 We may be looking at an all-time low in terms of comparing the Pac 12 next year with the other P5 conferences. Based on graduation and early defections, UDub has to be the favorite since they return Browning at QB, don't they? I do think Oregon is set up well to be in the conversation for a NY6 game since the early season schedule is a joke, most of the offensive line and almost all of the defense returns, and Herbert is back off a season he was 4th in FBS in passer efficiency (167.5) except he missed being eligible for the final list because he only played 8 games instead of the 9 needed to be eligible (need to play in 75% of regular season games). The funny thing is he has more passing yards and attempts than many of the eligible QBs on the list. http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/individual/8 http://www.espn.com/college-football/conferences/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/collegeQuarterbackRating/id/9 Herbert's Passer Efficiency would have been the #9 season all-time in the conference, too, but I do realize he didn't have to face UDub or Wazzu. It's crazy how under the radar he is for how good he's been, which is probably the biggest indictment of Mark Helfrich I can think of outside of whiffing in spectacular Helfrich fashion on Tua Tagovailo's recruitment. I do recognize that the LA schools each having an elite NFL prospect at QB sucked a lot of the media air out of the other QBs in the conference, with Khalil Tate being the exception because nobody had game-planned for him so he was just destroying teams over a 5 game stretch before falling back to earth in the Oregon game. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/pac-12/leaders/pass-rating-player-season.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickydlck Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 3 hours ago, PapaG said: We may be looking at an all-time low in terms of comparing the Pac 12 next year with the other P5 conferences. Based on graduation and early defections, UDub has to be the favorite since they return Browning at QB, don't they? I do think Oregon is set up well to be in the conversation for a NY6 game since the early season schedule is a joke, most of the offensive line and almost all of the defense returns, and Herbert is back off a season he was 4th in FBS in passer efficiency (167.5) except he missed being eligible for the final list because he only played 8 games instead of the 9 needed to be eligible (need to play in 75% of regular season games). The funny thing is he has more passing yards and attempts than many of the eligible QBs on the list. http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/individual/8 http://www.espn.com/college-football/conferences/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/collegeQuarterbackRating/id/9 Herbert's Passer Efficiency would have been the #9 season all-time in the conference, too, but I do realize he didn't have to face UDub or Wazzu. It's crazy how under the radar he is for how good he's been, which is probably the biggest indictment of Mark Helfrich I can think of outside of whiffing in spectacular Helfrich fashion on Tua Tagovailo's recruitment. I do recognize that the LA schools each having an elite NFL prospect at QB sucked a lot of the media air out of the other QBs in the conference, with Khalil Tate being the exception because nobody had game-planned for him so he was just destroying teams over a 5 game stretch before falling back to earth in the Oregon game. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/pac-12/leaders/pass-rating-player-season.html I do like Herbert, liked him as a freshman. While you do mention WSU and UW you kind of gloss over the fact he missed playing against the top 5 PAC12 pass defenses this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaG Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 All five missed playing Herbert and Oregon with him at QB too though, who averaged 50 ppg in the regular season. Those Top 5 teams (UDub/Wazzu/UCLA/Utah/Stanford) got to pad their stats playing pass defense against Braxton Burmeister, who passed for a grand total of 330 yards in 6 games (320 yards in 5 starts) and had 2 TDs and 6 INTs in those 5 starts. That's basically like being allowed to add the bye week to your passing defense stats while throwing in an interception. Passing efficiency has a different Top 6 than passing yards, and Herbert did play against 3 out of those 6 teams. http://pac-12.com/content/football-statistics Tomayto/tomahto? I don't think one can discard how historically bad the UO passing game was in Burmeister's 5 starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickydlck Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 2 hours ago, PapaG said: All five missed playing Herbert and Oregon with him at QB too though, who averaged 50 ppg in the regular season. Those Top 5 teams (UDub/Wazzu/UCLA/Utah/Stanford) got to pad their stats playing pass defense against Braxton Burmeister, who passed for a grand total of 330 yards in 6 games (320 yards in 5 starts) and had 2 TDs and 6 INTs in those 5 starts. That's basically like being allowed to add the bye week to your passing defense stats while throwing in an interception. Passing efficiency has a different Top 6 than passing yards, and Herbert did play against 3 out of those 6 teams. http://pac-12.com/content/football-statistics Tomayto/tomahto? I don't think one can discard how historically bad the UO passing game was in Burmeister's 5 starts. Yes, passing efficiency is different than defensive passing yards but also measures the offense which he would not be throwing against. Pass defense efficiency is even more different than passing efficiency and he did not play against the top 7 pass defense efficiency teams (2 of them not on schedule to be fair which is why I didn't include them in my Top 5 statement earlier). Like I said, I like Herbert. Is he good? I think so. Is he great? Inconclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaG Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, trickydlck said: Yes, passing efficiency is different than defensive passing yards but also measures the offense which he would not be throwing against. Pass defense efficiency is even more different than passing efficiency and he did not play against the top 7 pass defense efficiency teams (2 of them not on schedule to be fair which is why I didn't include them in my Top 5 statement earlier). Like I said, I like Herbert. Is he good? I think so. Is he great? Inconclusive. You're correct. I read the wrong numbers. Duh. As I said though, and I'm not saying Herbert is "great," but those teams also basically got a bye week playing Oregon with Burmeister, which skews the stats, too. Herbert's freshman season, on a bad Duck team, he still had a Pass Efficiency rating of 149, which was good for 3rd in the conference behind Browning and Darnold. Point being the while UDub is the obvious favorite for me to in the Pac next year, UO may actually be a sleeper if Cristobal can coach at all. Leavitt somehow managed to take a terrible Duck defense with almost no NFL talent, added freshmen at a bunch of spots last year, and ended up 4th overall in Total Defense for the Pac 12, which for UDub fans may not seem like much, but is pretty much miraculous from a UO fan's perspective. After about Week 4 last year I realized I didn't have to wince and brace myself for disappointment every time the defense took the field. I hadn't had that feeling since about 5 years ago when Alioti had some NFL talent on all three levels of defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
win2bfree Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 UW - Myles Gaskin is coming back for his Senior Season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickydlck Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 On 1/11/2018 at 10:37 AM, PapaG said: You're correct. I read the wrong numbers. Duh. As I said though, and I'm not saying Herbert is "great," but those teams also basically got a bye week playing Oregon with Burmeister, which skews the stats, too. Herbert's freshman season, on a bad Duck team, he still had a Pass Efficiency rating of 149, which was good for 3rd in the conference behind Browning and Darnold. Point being the while UDub is the obvious favorite for me to in the Pac next year, UO may actually be a sleeper if Cristobal can coach at all. Leavitt somehow managed to take a terrible Duck defense with almost no NFL talent, added freshmen at a bunch of spots last year, and ended up 4th overall in Total Defense for the Pac 12, which for UDub fans may not seem like much, but is pretty much miraculous from a UO fan's perspective. After about Week 4 last year I realized I didn't have to wince and brace myself for disappointment every time the defense took the field. I hadn't had that feeling since about 5 years ago when Alioti had some NFL talent on all three levels of defense. Ok, I guess with the multiple references to where he landed in national and all time pass efficiency it seemed that you were arguing how great he was despite having not have played the top defense this year. I agree those teams that have returning QB's have an advantage this (pretty much every?) year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAC MAN Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 19 hours ago, win2bfree said: UW - Myles Gaskin is coming back for his Senior Season. That's huge for UW...was hoping CU wouldn't have to face him again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Card Tricks Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Bryce Love returning to Stanford for his senior year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scscsc89 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 USC DL Rasheem Green is going pro. I kinda thought he was a senior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glduck Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 17 hours ago, Card Tricks said: Bryce Love returning to Stanford for his senior year. i’m floored. is it known what draft grade he got? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaG Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 hours ago, glduck said: i’m floored. is it known what draft grade he got? Heard on Portland radio he wants to be a doctor after football and doesn't have his degree after only three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickydlck Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Love needs to get in touch with Dan Doornink to find out how to balance it all, playing in the NFL and working towards being a doctor at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 12 hours ago, PapaG said: Heard on Portland radio he wants to be a doctor after football and doesn't have his degree after only three years. He's an even more admirable human being than I ever imagined. Go Bryce Love! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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glduck Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 i’ll miss him throwing the ball like joe montana against oregon and like tim tebow against everybody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scscsc89 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Throw the ball? All I ever remember him doing is handing off to their RBs (quite successfully, I admit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Card Tricks Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 On 1/21/2018 at 7:22 PM, glduck said: i’ll miss him throwing the ball like joe montana against oregon and like tim tebow against everybody else. No kidding, in both 2016 and 2017. I joked with a friend that Chryst's biggest problem is that he doesn't get to play Oregon every week. His legacy at Stanford will likely go down as a lame duck quarterback who looked anything but lame against the Ducks. Little known fact that tends to get forgotten- his record as Stanford's starting quarterback is 11-2. An extremely deceptive 11-2, however. He gets credit for wins over North Carolina (2016) and UCLA (2017) despite only playing for one quarter of both those games (left with injury). And he also gets credit for wins against Arizona (2016) and Oregon State (2016 & 2017) despite doing everything in his power to single-handedly lose them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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