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  1. On 7/25/2022 at 3:23 PM, Orange said:

    WTF would "research rankings" have to do with anything?

    It's a criteria that both the Pac-12 and Big 12 base on potential expansion schools.  This has been discussed on this board even at least since the day CU & Utah joined the conference.  This was covered by that Frank The Tank blog that focused on realignment and told us to think more like presidents than athletic directors.

    Every Pac-12 school is Tier 1 and almost every Big 12 is Tier 1...I think two Big 12 schools even including the incoming ones are Tier 2 with a track to become Tier 1.  All Big Ten schools are Tier 1, most ACC schools are, and believe it or not, most of the SEC schools are Tier 1.

    Again, presidents & chancellors and their board of regents are the ones who make decisions on conference affiliation not athletic directors.

    If you can't understand any of this, you are not as bright as you think you are because this criteria has been discussed on this board since at least 2011.  It's pretty straight forward.

  2. Anyone read that Stewart Mandel piece in the Athletic?  I'm too cheap to subscribe but I'm seeing that the PAC has more viewership numbers than the Big 12 since 2015 so at this point, I'm thinking the PAC remains intact sans the two LA schools.  At the same time Mandel is one of those writers who appear to have an interest in keeping the PAC intact in addition to Wilner and Canzano.  CU does have a slightly higher figure than Utah and games @Michigan, two games against Nebraska, and Texas A&M in Denver has helped CU's numbers.  That's a little surprising since it appears that Utah should draw better than CU since Utah has no NFL team to compete against in-state like CU has with the Broncos.  There is no doubt the upcoming Nebraska games are going to help CU's numbers in the coming years.

    As for SDSU, just invite them to the PAC already before the Big 12 thinks about doing that.  I saw some stuff saying that Frenso would be the 12th school but I'm not buying it because I don't think the Big 12 would pick them up at this point because believe it or not, they do have almost similar standards as the PAC.  Will it be UNLV?  I don't think Boise State qualifies when it comes to the research rankings.

    It's starting to feel more likely that the PAC remains intact and the outcome I am hoping for is that the P12N is on ESPN+ and more ESPN exposure.  If that happens, I will be happy with that outcome.

     

  3. I find it funny that current P12 fans are saying SDSU should expand their stadium after the majority of schools in the PAC have reduced capacity in their stadium through renovations or complete rebuilds.  It seems to me that Utah is the only one that has increased capacity and OSU finally decided to finish the other half of their stadium.

    In reality, the conference would invite SDSU with the expectation that they'd expand their seating and that probably wouldn't be announced until after the new media rights deal is announced and annual numbers are known so the Aztecs can budget the stadium expansion around that.  Especially after OSU & WSU went on spending sprees with the idea that the P12N would be printing money for them which didn't materialize and both ADs have ran in the red for awhile.

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  4. Speaking of AAU...it's basically the elite of the tier 1 research schools.  CU obtained its AAU status after about 20 years in the Big 8 which had four such members at the time in Iowa State, Kansas, Missouri, and yes even Nebraska at that time.  I don't think Oklahoma is that far off but what's hindering them is state funding for higher ed.

    Nebraska got dropped from the AAU due to the location of its medical school or something.  Even the Big 8 fans knew that Nebraska being part of the AAU was a joke into itself.  CU's medical school isn't even in Boulder so Orange might be right that it might be an arbitrary body.

  5. On 7/16/2022 at 8:00 PM, Aztecgolfer said:

    It sounds like, if the BIG does take another PAC school it would be Stanford if Notre Dame joins. So, the PAC-9? You good with that?

    PAC-9 sounds good to me.  Four home and four away conference games.  Even if the Big 8 was rad back then, you still had that uneven conference scheduling.

  6. On 7/13/2022 at 2:56 PM, mysfit said:

    And Wilner is still a dick I see

    His job is writing about the PAC...I'd be a dick if I had to start thinking about moving somewhere else because the conference might cease to exist.

  7. I don’t care what conference CU is in as long as the P12N distribution issues are squashed or no longer exists.  ESPN family of channels plus ESPN+ instead of the P12N would be worthy of celebration from any PAC fan base at this point.

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  8. Not sure if it is correct but CU's Board of Regents has a 5:30 pm-7:00 pm tomorrow evening after those Big 12 meetings earlier in the day.  The meeting description is explained as executive session which is the norm when you discuss conference membership stuff.  There's time to update the meeting to be about "athletic conference membership" just like before CU announced that move to the Pac-10.

  9. On 7/4/2022 at 9:34 AM, clpp01 said:

    Dog Do Not Want GIF

    I feel your pain after losing Nebraska as a football rival.  At least you can schedule UCLA in basketball.

    CU recruited California all those years before joining the Pac-12 so the only way the California pipeline ceases is if that state falls into the Pacific Ocean.  Sure it won't be the same but you will get that Texas exposure.  Dallas-Ft. Worth is set to surpass Chicago as the third largest metro area and Houston isn't far behind the Metroplex.  Tucson is right in the middle of those large population centers.

    The reason why I proposed those conferences was the assumption that the media rights money is probably going to remain at the current level with small growth over the duration of the media rights deal.  Why send UA basketball players to Orlando, Morgantown, or Cincinnati when the money isn't going to be that good?

    And when it comes to staying in the PAC it isn't looking good:

     

  10. On 7/4/2022 at 3:01 PM, azgreg said:

    How did the LA schools get around this?

    https://pac-12compliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/2021-22-P12-Handbook.V1.pdf

    3. Withdrawal.

    No member shall deliver a notice of withdrawal to the Conference in the period beginning on July 24, 2011, and ending on August 1, 2024; provided, that if any member does deliver a notice of withdrawal prior to August 1, 2024, in violation of this chapter, the Conference shall be entitled to an injunction and other equitable relief to prevent such breach, and if a court of competent jurisdiction shall deny the Conference such injunctive relief, the Conference shall be entitled to retain all the media and sponsorship rights in the multi-player video distribution (MPVD) and telecommunications/wireless categories of the member purporting to withdraw through August 1, 2024, even if the member is then a member of another conference or an independent school for some or all intercollegiate sports competitions. Additionally, if a member delivers notice of withdrawal in violation of this chapter, the member’s representative to the CEO Group shall automatically cease to be a member of the CEO Group and shall cease to have the right to vote on any matter before the CEO Group. (6/10, 10/10, 7/11)

     

    That is why they announced USC & UCLA joining the Big Ten on August 2, 2024.  No exit penalties in this case!

  11. On 7/3/2022 at 10:15 AM, Scscsc89 said:

    In the long run, I think this week’s move is a step to an eventual FOOTBALL-ONLY super league that will obviously also include (at the very least) Oregon, Washington and ASU.

    Non-revenue sports may revert/sick the Pac-12 structure or develop a loose west coast collection of regional athletic conferences (PNW, SoCal, etc.)  Since they’re non-revenue, it makes little sense for Arizona to travel to Pullman 🤷🏻‍♂️

    Or many western schools going independent for football and new conferences that make geographical sense for non revenue sports plus basketball.  CU, UA, ASU, Utah would go to a conference that includes BYU, Utah State, UNM, AFA, CSU, and Wyoming.  The remaining MWC schools hook up with the remaining P12 schools in that manner and maybe go after Gonzaga.

  12. On 7/3/2022 at 9:56 AM, RogueDuck said:

    Since no one has pointed it out yet, I’d like to remind everyone who voted down Texas and Oklahoma joining the Pac 10.  Yep, Utah and CU killed the Pac.  

    Voting against Oklahoma and Oklahoma State didn’t kill the P12?

    The OU & UT vote never happened because UT couldn’t have the LHN either.

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