Should the 5 power conferences split from the NCAA?

[DCtheUteFan]

Reading various boards, and the topic of conference expansion is flying around again. And and on MWC board, the 5 power conferences bolting from the NCAA.

 

If the Power 5 were to form some kind of alliance outside of the NCAA, what should it be called, should any teams from the lesser conferences be invited?

[DCtheUteFan]

_{Not sure we need to expand again. If the Power conferences left the NCAA, I would love to see USU taken ahead of BYU, but doubt that would happen. I can't think of anyone other than Notre Dame and possibly BYU to even things out that have the clout to join.}

[RogueDuck]

If we can't expand with a OU, Ok St or KState, then the Pac should stand pat.  CU brought a brand with them and a decent size state, Utah and TCU have shown it's a tough jump from playing 1-2 tough games a year to playing week in and week out.  No more MWC or non BCS schools should even be entertained by the Pac 12.

[PAC MAN]

https://www.bidscolo...7257BBF006F30A9
 

Colorado State just sent out the RFP for their new on campus stadium.  A RFP in Colorado pretty much means it's a done deal and CSU has made it no secret that they want to join a BCS conference namely the Big 12.  I have said on the MWC that CSU and UNM are the only remaining MWC schools that have the academic credetinals to join either the Big 12 or Pac-12.  I believe they would be the next mid-majors to jump up.

 

And there's the West Virigina problem so I think Cinncinnati is the most likely school to move to the Big 12.  Not sure what that would mean for BYU.

[Scscsc89]

Not that I think it will happen, but here's what I'd do ...

 

1)  Separate football from basketball -- this relieves us of Duke & Indiana & hopefully Kansas.

 

2)  Make Notre Dame join a conference.  Bring BYU along, but drop Army & Navy and the rest of the independents to mid-major

 

3)  Reduce the number of teams in the top division from 130+ (!) to 64:

 

Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
ASU
Auburn
Boston College
BYU
Cal
Clemson
Colorado
Florida State
Florida
GaTech
Georgia
Illinois
Iowa
LSU
Maryland
Miami
Mich St
Michican
Minnesota
Missouri
Nebraska
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Oklahoma
OKSU
Oregon
Oregon State
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Purdue
Rutgers
South Carolina
Stanford
Syracuse
Tennessee
Texas
Texas A&M
UCLA
North Carolina
USC
Utah
VaTech
Virginia
Wake Forest
Washington
West Virginia
Wisconsin
WSU
 

That's off the top of my head -- you can choose the final 12 from:

Baylor
Boise State
Cincinnatti
Indiana
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Kentucky
Louisville
Mississippi State
Ole Miss
TCU
Temple
Texas Tech
UCF
USF
Vanderbilt
Others
 

[Scscsc89]

Do any of the "mid-major" conferences have a championship game?

 

I wonder if you could get away with the above politically/financially by creating a mid-major championship game among the top 2 ranked teams & guaranteeing the winner a spot in the major playoffs every year.

[Nakedmolerat]

Baylor

Boise State

Cincinnatti

Kansas

Kansas State

Kentucky

Louisville

Mississippi State

Ole Miss

TCU

Texas Tech

Vanderbilt

 

 

Gotta be those 12 from the list.

[KUGRDON]

Not that I think it will happen, but here's what I'd do ...

 

1)  Separate football from basketball -- this relieves us of Duke & Indiana & hopefully Kansas.

 

2)  Make Notre Dame join a conference.  Bring BYU along, but drop Army & Navy and the rest of the independents to mid-major

 

3)  Reduce the number of teams in the top division from 130+ (!) to 64:

 

Alabama

Arizona

Arkansas

ASU

Auburn

Boston College

BYU

Cal

Clemson

Colorado

Florida State

Florida

GaTech

Georgia

Illinois

Iowa

LSU

Maryland

Miami

Mich St

Michican

Minnesota

Missouri

Nebraska

Northwestern

Notre Dame

Ohio State

Oklahoma

OKSU

Oregon

Oregon State

Penn State

Pittsburgh

Purdue

Rutgers

South Carolina

Stanford

Syracuse

Tennessee

Texas

Texas A&M

UCLA

North Carolina

USC

Utah

VaTech

Virginia

Wake Forest

Washington

West Virginia

Wisconsin

WSU

 

That's off the top of my head -- you can choose the final 12 from:

Baylor

Boise State

Cincinnatti

Indiana

Iowa State

Kansas

Kansas State

Kentucky

Louisville

Mississippi State

Ole Miss

TCU

Temple

Texas Tech

UCF

USF

Vanderbilt

Others

 

 

I think the major conferences will leave the NCAA to avoid its constraints on what they do with the money generated by college athletes.  It always makes me nervous though, because if their is any rational financial basis for who leaves and who doesn't, WSU will get left out.

[OS_Beaver]

Yes!!  And there should be four 16-team super conferences.  The Texoma 4 should round out the PAC-16 and we will be every bit the SEC's equal.  The Top 5 conferences now are basically 63 teams right now plus Notre Dame.  The symmetry would be too good and there is so much potential for a conference semifinal if every conference has pods or two 8 team-divisions.  Then you could have the Pac-16 and Big Ten 16 be guaranteed a spot in the national championship taking on the winner of the SEC and Big 12 every year or just a very good and most logical 8 team playoff with 2 teams from each conference potentially.  Symetry and a logical system would do a ton to maximize a new super league of college football.  Don't play other teams and every game is a good game in this Top 64 league.  Eventually, 10+ years down the road, it could expand to 72 teams and potentially still later to 80 teams, say 20 or more years down the road, but DEFINITELY never go beyond that.

 

All it would take for this very good and logical system if for Texas and Oklahoma to be happy rivaling the SEC properly in a more studly Pac-16. With pods there are no other concerns but the PAC could vote on if that is just for football and if normal divisions are used for the lesser sports.

 

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[DCtheUteFan]

Not that I think it will happen, but here's what I'd do ...

 

1)  Separate football from basketball -- this relieves us of Duke & Indiana & hopefully Kansas.

 

2)  Make Notre Dame join a conference.  Bring BYU along, but drop Army & Navy and the rest of the independents to mid-major

 

3)  Reduce the number of teams in the top division from 130+ (!) to 64:

 

Alabama

Arizona

Arkansas

ASU

Auburn

Boston College

BYU

Cal

Clemson

Colorado

Florida State

Florida

GaTech

Georgia

Illinois

Iowa

LSU

Maryland

Miami

Mich St

Michican

Minnesota

Missouri

Nebraska

Northwestern

Notre Dame

Ohio State

Oklahoma

OKSU

Oregon

Oregon State

Penn State

Pittsburgh

Purdue

Rutgers

South Carolina

Stanford

Syracuse

Tennessee

Texas

Texas A&M

UCLA

North Carolina

USC

Utah

VaTech

Virginia

Wake Forest

Washington

West Virginia

Wisconsin

WSU

 

That's off the top of my head -- you can choose the final 12 from:

Baylor

Boise State

Cincinnatti

Indiana

Iowa State

Kansas

Kansas State

Kentucky

Louisville

Mississippi State

Ole Miss

TCU

Temple

Texas Tech

UCF

USF

Vanderbilt

Others

 

 

 

Baylor

Boise State

Cincinnatti

Kansas

Kansas State

Kentucky

Louisville

Mississippi State

Ole Miss

TCU

Texas Tech

Vanderbilt

 

 

Gotta be those 12 from the list.

Might Pull Northwestern from top list and replace them with BSU. Might look at adding Utah State as a possiblility on the 2nd list to be considered if they perform this year and upgrade there stadium to at least 45K capacity. Feel that Colorado State should get a look too, if they can get there stadium deal done.

[Scscsc89]

Yeah -- I had Northwestern back & forth.  After a while my theme became, "when in doubt, leave them out."

 

The main point was that it was pretty easy to get to 64 without too much pain.

[PAC MAN]

All it would take for this very good and logical system if for Texas and Oklahoma to be happy rivaling the SEC properly in a more studly Pac-16. With pods there are no other concerns but the PAC could vote on if that is just for football and if normal divisions are used for the lesser sports.

 

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I'm not as opposed to the four Big 12 schools coming over to the Pac-12 but at the same time, their fanbases are not necessarily enamored with the Pac-12.  And the Big 12 schools are earning more $$$ than the average Pac-12 plus their media rights expire around the same time so whether they stay or bolt for the Pac-12 will depend on how much the TV execs are willing to pay them.

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aliciajessop/2013/05/31/the-big-12-conference-announces-198-million-revenue-distribution-to-member-institutions/

 

Each Big 12 team except for WVU and TCU got $22M from the frirst and second tier TV rights.  Then you have $15M for Texas from the LHN which means UT got $37M.  OU's third tier rights is worth $8M per year.  KU's is $6.5M per year.  I'm wondering if that is one of the reasons why Mike Bohn got fired at CU in addition to slow fundraising times in Boulder.  The mere idea that KU is earing $28.5M versus $21M makes me sick to my stomach.

 

If the Pac-16 is going to happen, it's looking much less likely that it will include those four Big 12 schools but four MWC teams which probably means the Pac-12 stays at 12 teams for a very long time.

[DCtheUteFan]

I'm not as opposed to the four Big 12 schools coming over to the Pac-12 but at the same time, their fanbases are not necessarily enamored with the Pac-12.  And the Big 12 schools are earning more $$$ than the average Pac-12 plus their media rights expire around the same time so whether they stay or bolt for the Pac-12 will depend on how much the TV execs are willing to pay them.

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aliciajessop/2013/05/31/the-big-12-conference-announces-198-million-revenue-distribution-to-member-institutions/

 

Each Big 12 team except for WVU and TCU got $22M from the frirst and second tier TV rights.  Then you have $15M for Texas from the LHN which means UT got $37M.  OU's third tier rights is worth $8M per year.  KU's is $6.5M per year.  I'm wondering if that is one of the reasons why Mike Bohn got fired at CU in addition to slow fundraising times in Boulder.  The mere idea that KU is earing $28.5M versus $21M makes me sick to my stomach.

 

If the Pac-16 is going to happen, it's looking much less likely that it will include those four Big 12 schools but four MWC teams which probably means the Pac-12 stays at 12 teams for a very long time.

If they really want to do this, maybe they may blow up the conferences all together. Do everything geographically, 16 teams from the Northeast/North Central, 16 teams from the Southeast, 16 teams from Central and 16 teams from the west.

 

I could see it something like this.

 

Northeast

1. BC

2. Syracuse

3. Rutgers

4.Umass

5.Maryland

6.UVA

7.VTU

8 Penn State

9. Pitt

10. WVU

11. Ohio State

12. Cincinatti

13. Kentucky

14. Michigan

15. Wisconsin

16. Indiana

 

Southeast

1.North Carolina

2. Duke

3. Wake Forrest

4. South Carolina

5. Georgia

6. Georgia Tech

7. Florida

8. Florida State

9. Miami

10. Alabama

11. Auburn

11. Mississippi

12. Mississippi State

13. LSU

14. Tennessee

15. Louisville

16. Arkansas

 

Central

1. Minnesota

2. Illinois

3. Iowa

4. Missouri

5. Kansas

6. Kansas State

7. Nebraska

8. Oklahoma

9. Oklahoma State

10. Texas

11. Texas A&M

12. TCU

13. TTU

14. Air Force

15. Colorado

16. CSU

 

West

1. BSU

2. Utah

3 BYU

4. Arizona

5. ASU

6. UNLV

7. Washington

8. Washington State

9. Oregon

10. Oregon State

11. Califonia

12. Stanford

13. UCLA

14. USC

15. SDSU (Provided they get a better stadium)

16, Nevada, Hawaii, or USU (also need better stadiums)

 

Maybe they could keep the conference names with the Northeast becoming the B1G, Southeast could be SEC, Central could rename themselse Big 16, and the West would be the PAC-16.

 

Just a thought, i mean if they end up splitting, they may as well make the conferences conforn to some kind of geographic boundries.

[ECAztec]

If they really want to do this, maybe they may blow up the conferences all together. Do everything geographically, 16 teams from the Northeast/North Central, 16 teams from the Southeast, 16 teams from Central and 16 teams from the west.

 

I could see it something like this.

 

Northeast

1. BC

2. Syracuse

3. Rutgers

4.Umass

5.Maryland

6.UVA

7.VTU

8 Penn State

9. Pitt

10. WVU

11. Ohio State

12. Cincinatti

13. Kentucky

14. Michigan

15. Wisconsin

16. Indiana

 

Southeast

1.North Carolina

2. Duke

3. Wake Forrest

4. South Carolina

5. Georgia

6. Georgia Tech

7. Florida

8. Florida State

9. Miami

10. Alabama

11. Auburn

11. Mississippi

12. Mississippi State

13. LSU

14. Tennessee

15. Louisville

16. Arkansas

 

Central

1. Minnesota

2. Illinois

3. Iowa

4. Missouri

5. Kansas

6. Kansas State

7. Nebraska

8. Oklahoma

9. Oklahoma State

10. Texas

11. Texas A&M

12. TCU

13. TTU

14. Air Force

15. Colorado

16. CSU

 

West

1. BSU

2. Utah

3 BYU

4. Arizona

5. ASU

6. UNLV

7. Washington

8. Washington State

9. Oregon

10. Oregon State

11. Califonia

12. Stanford

13. UCLA

14. USC

15. SDSU (Provided they get a better stadium)

16, Nevada, Hawaii, or USU (also need better stadiums)

 

Maybe they could keep the conference names with the Northeast becoming the B1G, Southeast could be SEC, Central could rename themselse Big 16, and the West would be the PAC-16.

 

Just a thought, i mean if they end up splitting, they may as well make the conferences conforn to some kind of geographic boundries.

I agree partially.  First observation is that the SE will have a stacked conference in the big 3.  Not insurmountable, but a lot of champs in that list.  But I think the 16 is not attractive.  It eliminates cross-divisionals until a champ game, and unless you remove some OOC's (which is not a good idea) you may lose some rivalry games, depending on the split.  12's are fine and 14's are troublesome (look at future ACC schedules).

 

 Looking at it from a playoff standpoint, it seems logical to have the region champs are the go to's.  But what if Oregon and USC are logical top 4's (It's already happened with Bama LSU in 11)?  So I think it doesn't solve a thing, only muddies the perspective.

 

 

As for the Dust Bowl teams, do you really want a drama queen like Tejas?  Not even the SEC wants to deal with their demands.  PAC 12 is a solid product, with a good foundation.  Only Big Ten is more sturdy.  It's best to leave it like that, IMO

 

 

And thanks for having me.

[PAC MAN]

Central

 

1. Minnesota

2. Illinois

3. Iowa

4. Missouri

5. Kansas

6. Kansas State

7. Nebraska

8. Oklahoma

9. Oklahoma State

10. Texas

11. Texas A&M

12. TCU

13. TTU

14. Air Force

15. Colorado

16. CSU

 

That would be football heaven for me as strange as it sounds.  Having two instate rivals would make college football in CO exciting plus if CU was to be paired up with the OK and TX schools (except for A&M), it would be awesome since CU usually had fun games against TT and OSU plus CU and OU fans dislike each other.  CU had Texas on the ropes in Austin at the half the last time those two met.

[PAC MAN]

I agree partially.  First observation is that the SE will have a stacked conference in the big 3.  Not insurmountable, but a lot of champs in that list.  But I think the 16 is not attractive.  It eliminates cross-divisionals until a champ game, and unless you remove some OOC's (which is not a good idea) you may lose some rivalry games, depending on the split.  12's are fine and 14's are troublesome (look at future ACC schedules).

 

 Looking at it from a playoff standpoint, it seems logical to have the region champs are the go to's.  But what if Oregon and USC are logical top 4's (It's already happened with Bama LSU in 11)?  So I think it doesn't solve a thing, only muddies the perspective.

 

 

As for the Dust Bowl teams, do you really want a drama queen like Tejas?  Not even the SEC wants to deal with their demands.  PAC 12 is a solid product, with a good foundation.  Only Big Ten is more sturdy.  It's best to leave it like that, IMO

 

 

And thanks for having me.

 

No problem...some posters from this board including myself post on the MWC board so you are welcome to post here.

 

With 16 team set ups, you would have seven intra-division games and if you use the Pac-12 inter-division scheduling formula for the non-CA schools, it would be possible to visit the other teams six times out of eight years which was better than the old Big 12 inter-division scheduling format.

[ECAztec]

No problem...some posters from this board including myself post on the MWC board so you are welcome to post here.

 

With 16 team set ups, you would have seven intra-division games and if you use the Pac-12 inter-division scheduling formula for the non-CA schools, it would be possible to visit the other teams six times out of eight years which was better than the old Big 12 inter-division scheduling format.

I am unfamiliar with the  B12 matchups.  It seems as if it would be a 4OOC 7 intra division 1 cross division at 16, so it just seems like it is a long layoff between playing the other side.  I am already upset that Carolina has 2 year breaks from Clemson and FSU, due to a 6-1-1, which is what SEC also uses.  MWC has 12, and from the looks of it, it's an agreeable schedule.  What do you believe PAC fans reaction would be if the schools have breaks of such stretches? 

[Chad Sexington]

I understand the motivation to do so, but think it is a bad idea.

[Scscsc89]

You could always handicap it the way the NFL does & base it on how the team finishes the year before ...

 

The top 2 teams play each other, the second two, the third two & the bottom two.

 

7 in-division + 2 in-conference + 3 OOC (where at least 1 opponent, preferably 2 are from the Top64 division.)

[RogueDuck]

Someone please explain why utes are so obsessed with bringing Utah St to the PAC 12? USU is about as viable of an option, IMO, as Grand canyon St.