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On 12/24/2021 at 4:29 AM, HLB said:

Bowl ties in the PAC12 .... Outside of the Rose Bowl, does anyone really care?  

All of other PAC12 bowl affiliations can just as well be called The Always Bowl, The Tena Intimae Bowl, the Vagisil Bowl, The Neueve Bowl, The Kotex Bowl, and the Summer's Eve Bowl.

Numbers don't lie. During the CFP era, in years when the Rose Bowl is not a semi-final/national championship game it is the most-watched bowl game.

In 2015 it overtook the Fiesta, Sugar, and Peach Bowls as the most-watched NY6 bowl games despite having Stanford and Iowa represent the PAC-12/B1G conferences and are not known for having massive fan bases like Ohio State, Notre Dame, or even Michigan/UF in the Citrus Bowl that year.

In 2016 the USC/Penn State Rose Bowl game once again outdrew the other non-semifinal NY6 games Sugar (OU/Auburn), Cotton (Wisconsin/W. Michigan), and Orange (FSU/Michigan) and the numbers weren't even close. 

In 2018 the traditional B1G/PAC-12 matchup included Ohio State/Washington that drew 16.781M viewers while the Sugar (Texas/UGA) drew 13.298M, Fiesta (LSU/UCF) drew 8.471M viewers and the Peach (Florida-Michigan) game drew 8.366M viewers. Literally doubled viewership compared to mighty SEC powers like LSU, Florida, Georgia and soon-to-be SEC member Texas. 

In 2019, the Oregon/Wisconsin matchup drew in 16.30M viewers while other NY6 matchups didn't really come that close either. Sugar (UGA/Baylor) 10.22M, Cotton (PSU/Memphis) 6.22M, Orange (Florida/UVA) 6.07M viewers. Some of these are practically home games (Georgia/Florida). I guess they could have been at the game, but that doesn't explain the poor showing in viewership compared to the Rose that also seats more fans. Even the Alabama/Michigan Citrus bowl game managed to outperform the other NY6 games, minus the Rose Bowl with 14M viewers. 

When looking at the years when the Rose Bowl was a semi-final game the numbers get a little interesting as well. In 2014 The FSU/Oregon game drew 28.16M fans meanwhile the OSU/Alabama Sugar Bowl drew in 28.28M viewers, which is even despite FSU/Oregon not having arguably not as massive followings as OSU/Alabama. In 2017 the Georgia/Oklahoma Rose Bowl game drew in 27.913M viewers while the Alabama/Clemson Sugar Bowl was a little short of that at 21.473M viewers. Now, I get that in 2020 COVID affected a lot and even caused the Rose Bowl to be moved to Texas. However, the Rose Bowl had 18.89M viewers and managed to be outperformed, slightly, by the Sugar Bowl (OSU/Clemson) with 19.15M viewers but both games managed to outperform the Alabama/OSU national championship game with 18.65M viewers. 

My long drawn-out point is that the Rose Bowl game is consistently the most-watched non-semifinal NY6 bowl game and has the potential to outperform the other semi-final game and even the national championship game. So to say that nobody outside of the PAC-12 cares to watch the game simply isn't true. 

 

 

2014:

Wednesday, December 31
5.0
8.94M
8:00 PM Miss. State/Georgia Tech
Orange Bowl
ESPN
4.6
7.41M
4:00 PM Boise State/Arizona
Fiesta Bowl
ESPN
3.4
5.01M
12:30 PM Mississippi/TCU
Peach Bowl
ESPN
Thursday, January 1
15.2
28.27M
8:30 PM Ohio State/Alabama
Sugar Bowl (Semifinal #2)
ESPN
14.8
28.16M
5:00 PM FSU/Oregon
Rose Bowl (Semifinal #1)
ESPN
5.2
9.09M
12:30 PM Michigan State/Baylor
Cotton Bowl
ESPN
3.8
6.42M
12:00 PM Auburn/Wisconsin
Outback Bowl
ESPN2
3.7
6.12M
1:00 PM Missouri/Minnesota
Citrus Bowl
ABC

 

2015:

Thursday, December 31
9.6 18.552M Alabama/MSU
Cotton Bowl (semi)
8:20 PM ESPN
9.1 15.640M Clemson/Okla.
Orange Bowl (semi)
4:10 PM ESPN
3.7 5.604M Houston/FSU
Peach Bowl
11:58 AM ESPN
Friday, January 1
7.4 13.552M Stanford/Iowa
Rose Bowl
5:09 PM ESPN
5.6 9.759M Ohio State/ND
Fiesta Bowl
12:56 PM ESPN
5.1 8.940M Miss./Okla. St.
Sugar Bowl
8:39 PM ESPN
5.1 8.761M Michigan/UF
Citrus Bowl
1:00 PM ABC
2.821M N’Wstn/Tenn.
Outback Bowl
12:00 PM ESPN2

 

2016:

Friday, December 30
6.2 11.461M FSU
Michigan
Orange Bowl 8:11 PM ESPN
3.1 5.026M Tennessee
Nebraska
Music City Bowl 3:30 PM ESPN
3.128M Georgia
TCU
Liberty Bowl 12:00 PM ESPN
1.9 2.926M Stanford
UNC
Sun Bowl 2:00 PM CBS
Saturday, December 31
10.7 19.344M Alabama
Washington (semi)
Peach Bowl 3:12 PM ESPN
ESPN2
9.8 19.237M Clemson
Ohio State (semi)
Fiesta Bowl 7:10 PM ESPN
ESPN2
3.9 6.390M LSU
Louisville
Citrus Bowl 11:01 AM ABC
1.6 2.647M Ga. Tech
Kentucky
Gator Bowl 11:00 AM ESPN
Monday, January 2
8.6 15.740M USC
Penn State
Rose Bowl 5:13 PM ESPN
5.6 9.515M Oklahoma
Auburn
Sugar Bowl 9:29 PM ESPN
3.6 6.106M Florida
Iowa
Outback Bowl 1:00 PM ABC
3.1 5.442M Wisconsin
W. Michigan 
Cotton Bowl 1:02 PM ESPN

 

2017:

POSTSEASON RATINGS
RTG VWRS
(+ Stream)
GAME BOWL DATE/TIME NET
15.6 (28.443M) Alabama
Georgia
CFPNC Jan. 8, 8:00 PM ESPN,
ESPN2,
ESPNU
13.7 (26.913M) Georgia
Oklahoma
Rose (Semi) Jan. 1, 5:00 PM ESPN &
ESPN2
11.4 (21.473M) Alabama
Clemson
Sugar (Semi) Jan. 1, 9:00 PM ESPN &
ESPN2
6.3 (11.727M) Wisconsin
Miami
Orange Dec. 30, 8:00 PM ESPN 
5.7 (10.167M) Penn State
Washington
Fiesta Dec. 30, 4:00 PM ESPN
5.3 (9.468M) Ohio State
USC
Cotton Dec. 29, 8:00 PM ESPN
5.1 (8.713M) Notre Dame
LSU
Citrus Jan. 1, 1:00 PM ABC
4.6 (8.377M) UCF
Auburn
Peach Jan. 1, 12:30 PM ESPN
2.8 (5.050M) So. Carolina
Michigan
Outback Jan. 1, Noon ESPN2
2.8 (4.626M) Northwestern
Kentucky
Music City Dec. 29, 5:15 PM ESPN
2.7 (4.424M) Miss. St.
Louisville
Gator Dec. 30, Noon

ESPN

 

2018:

RTG VWRS
(+ STREAM)
GAME BOWL DATE/TIME NET
13.8 (25.280M) CLEM-ALA CFPNC 1/7, 8:00P ESPN MEGACAST
9.9 (19.069M) ALA-OKLA (semi) Orange 12/29, 8:00P ESPN/ESPN2
9.4 (16.809M) CLEM-ND (semi) Cotton 12/29, 4:00P ESPN/ESPN2
8.9 (16.781M) OSU-WASH Rose 1/1, 5:00P ESPN/ESPN2
7.3 (13.298M) TEX-UGA Sugar 1/1, 8:30P ESPN/ESPN2
4.7 (8.471M) LSU-UCF Fiesta 1/1, 1:00P ESPN
5.0 (8.366M) UF-MICH Peach 12/29, NOON ESPN
4.4 7.709M UK-PSU Citrus 1/1, 1:00P ABC
3.2 (5.547M) WASH ST-IA ST Alamo 12/28, 9:00P ESPN
2.7 (5.142M) T A&M-NC ST Gator 12/31, 8:00P ESPN

 

2019:

Bowl season

DATE/TIME GAME NET RTG. +/- VWRS. +/-
1/13, 8:00p LSU-CLEM
NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP
ESPN MEGACAST 14.3 +4% 25.59M +1%
12/28, 8:00p CLEM-OSU
FIESTA BOWL (CFP SEMI)
ESPN MEGACAST 11.1 +12% 21.15M +11%
12/28, 4:00p LSU-OU
PEACH BOWL (CFP SEMI)
ESPN MEGACAST 9.5 +1% 17.21M +2%
1/1, 5:00p ORE-WISC
ROSE BOWL*
ESPN
ESPN2
8.7 -2% 16.30M -3%
1/1, 1:00p ALA-MICH
CITRUS BOWL
ABC 8.0 +82% 14.00M +82%
1/1, 8:30p UGA-BYLR
SUGAR BOWL
ESPN
ESPN2
5.7 -22% 10.22M -23%
12/28, Noon PSU-MEM
COTTON BOWL*
ESPN 3.8 -28% 6.22M -34%
12/30, 8:00p UF-UVA
ORANGE BOWL*
ESPN 3.5 -44% 6.07M -48%
12/31, 7:30p TEX-UTA
ALAMO BOWL
ESPN 3.1 -3% 5.61M

+1%

 

2020:

DATE/TIME GAME NET RTG. +/- VWRS. +/-
1/1, 8:00p Sugar: OSU-CLEM* ESPN Mega 9.8 -12% 19.15M -9%
1/1, 4:00p Rose: ND-ALA* ESPN Mega 9.6 +1% 18.89M +10%
1/11, 8:00p CFPNC: ALA-OSU ESPN Mega still to come 18.65M -27%
1/1, Noon Peach: UGA-CIN** ESPN Mega 4.9 -2% 8.73M +4%
1/2, 8:00p Orange: T A&M-UNC ESPN 4.3 +23% 7.58M +25%
1/2, 4:00p Fiesta: IA ST-ORE** ESPN 3.8 -19% 6.68M -21%
12/30, 8:00p Cotton: OKLA-UF ESPN 3.2 -16% 5.77M -7%
1/1, 1:00p Citrus: AUB-NWSTN ABC 2.8 -65% 4.78M -66%
1/2, 12:30p Outback: MISS-IND ABC 2.5 +4% 4.11M +3%
12/31, 4:00p Liberty: ARMY-WVU ESPN 2.2 +5% 3.74M +12%
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On 1/1/2022 at 10:44 PM, Chile_Ute said:

Twat response 

It's not an indictment of Utah. It's what losers say. Just win. Being proud about losing is what gets us Pac-12 football. The lovable losers always have guts and poise and moxie and heart. People hate Belichik and Saban because they win. Nobody hates Mike Riley. 

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On 1/1/2022 at 9:55 PM, dtd said:

It's not an indictment of Utah. It's what losers say. Just win. Being proud about losing is what gets us Pac-12 football. The lovable losers always have guts and poise and moxie and heart. People hate Belichik and Saban because they win. Nobody hates Mike Riley. 

Sure it is...and on the conference.  But you have a team that lost two teammates within a year, drop two shitty games at the beginning of the season, play a blue chip (with their missing studs) against a secondary propped up by a f-u-cking RB.  It’s ok to be proud even if coming up short.  They represented well IMO.
 

in the big scheme of things it really doesn’t matter.

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