2022 Pac 12 Football

[EastCoastFan]

On 1/14/2023 at 6:48 PM, HLB said:

So why doesn't the PAC12 play 9 conference games?  And do you really think that the PAC12 plays a tougher slate of OOC opponents than other conferences?

omg...

[HLB]

On 1/15/2023 at 7:22 PM, EastCoastFan said:

omg...

I meant to ask:  Why doesn't the PAC12 play 8 conference games?

And do you really think that the PAC12 plays a tougher slate of OOC opponents than other conferences?

[HLB]

On 1/14/2023 at 10:10 PM, Scscsc89 said:

 

They do.

 

Not this year — and the results speak for themselves.

My mistake .... Let me re-phrase:  Why doesn't the PAC12 play 8 conference games?

And in which year did the PAC12 play a tougher slate of OOC opponents?

[Orange]

On 1/14/2023 at 3:22 PM, HLB said:

It will only be a dream for the Beavers

That's what I said it was, dipshit.

[Orange]

On 1/16/2023 at 5:21 PM, HLB said:

My mistake .... Let me re-phrase:  Why doesn't the PAC12 play 8 conference games?

And in which year did the PAC12 play a tougher slate of OOC opponents?

Every team plays an extra conference game, ergo we all play at least one more P5 opponent than any team that plays 8 conference games.  I have no doubt that you will do some halfassed data dump re: OOC opponents that forgets the SEC only plays 8 conference games.

 

In short, playing chess with a pigeon is pointless, because even when we beat you, you'll just shit on the board, knock the pieces over, and strut around like you won.

[Chile_Ute]

On 1/18/2023 at 9:07 AM, Orange said:

In short, playing chess with a pigeon is pointless, because even when we beat you, you'll just shit on the board, knock the pieces over, and strut around like you won.

Luckily my phone is resistant to spit takes of Arrogant Bastard…..filing this away.

[utenation]

On 1/14/2023 at 4:48 PM, HLB said:

So why doesn't the PAC12 play 9 conference games?  And do you really think that the PAC12 plays a tougher slate of OOC opponents than other conferences?

 

On 1/16/2023 at 6:19 PM, HLB said:

I meant to ask:  Why doesn't the PAC12 play 8 conference games?

And do you really think that the PAC12 plays a tougher slate of OOC opponents than other conferences?

LMAO! Sure. You meant 8 games. Uh huh. 

More simple proof that you have no idea how the P12 works or CFB in general. 

You need to leave. You have no business here, especially when you’re as dumb as a box of rocks. 

[HLB]

Take the praise where you can .... 

Ranking the 10 best college football quarterbacks heading into the 2023 season (espn.com)

That being said, I watched Bo Nix in high school and for three years I watched him struggle to be slightly above average at Auburn.  He has a lot of talent and is very athletic.  But he struggles against top competition and can be inconsistent from quarter to quarter.  If he's the fourth best QB in the country, then the country doesn't have a lot of quality QB's.

I agree that Williams, Penix Jr. and Rising and are better than Nix.  William and Penix Jr. proved themselves in the Big-12 and Big Ten, as well, but Nix didn't perform overly strong in the SEC.

[HLB]

On 1/22/2023 at 11:07 AM, utenation said:

 

LMAO! Sure. You meant 8 games. Uh huh. 

More simple proof that you have no idea how the P12 works or CFB in general. 

You need to leave. You have no business here, especially when you’re as dumb as a box of rocks. 

I know, far more than you, think.  The point I was aiming to make is if the PAC12 is so frustrated that they play 9 conference games, while the SEC (and ACC) play 8 conference games, then why doesn't the PAC12 simply play 8 conference games, too?

Rather than play 9 conference games and complain about other conferences play 8 conference games, just change the PAC12 format and play 8 conference games.

Here's why they won't move to 8 conference games, and here's why they play 9 conference games .... Cross country travel.

By virtue of being on the West Coast, PAC12 teams would have to travel East of Colorado at least once per season, with 4 OOC games, as opposed to 3 OOC games.  As a conference, the PAC12 leadership felt is was best for the student-athletes to face less travel, by playing fewer OOC games and adding one more conference game.

That was the choice of the conference, not necessarily the decision of every individual team.  They were trying to reduce the number of times student-athletes would have to travel across multiple time zones and face sleep deprivation, etc.

That's why they play 9 conference games, and not 8.

Which is perfectly fine.  But since the PAC12 has made this decision on behalf of their conference, they shouldn't aim to force other conferences to have to do the same.

[Orange]

On 4/10/2023 at 6:16 PM, HLB said:

I know, far more than you, think.  The point I was aiming to make is if the PAC12 is so frustrated that they play 9 conference games, while the SEC (and ACC) play 8 conference games, then why doesn't the PAC12 simply play 8 conference games, too?

Rather than play 9 conference games and complain about other conferences play 8 conference games, just change the PAC12 format and play 8 conference games.

Here's why they won't move to 8 conference games, and here's why they play 9 conference games .... Cross country travel.

By virtue of being on the West Coast, PAC12 teams would have to travel East of Colorado at least once per season, with 4 OOC games, as opposed to 3 OOC games.  As a conference, the PAC12 leadership felt is was best for the student-athletes to face less travel, by playing fewer OOC games and adding one more conference game.

That was the choice of the conference, not necessarily the decision of every individual team.  They were trying to reduce the number of times student-athletes would have to travel across multiple time zones and face sleep deprivation, etc.

That's why they play 9 conference games, and not 8.

Which is perfectly fine.  But since the PAC12 has made this decision on behalf of their conference, they shouldn't aim to force other conferences to have to do the same.

This is fucking stupid and wrong, as usual.  USC & Stanford play @ South Bend, IN every other year.  Oregon, in the past four years alone, has played @ UGA, @ Auburn, @ Ohio State.  Oregon State, in the past 5 years, has played @ Purdue, @ Oklahoma State, and @ Ohio State.  UA has recently played @ MS State and @ Houston.  Stanford (in addition to ND) has played @ K-State, @ Northwestern and @ Rice in the past 5 years.  UCLA has played @ Cincinnati, @ LSU and @ Oklahoma within the past decade.  ASU has played @ Okie State last year, @ Mich State in 19, and @ TT in 17.  Cal played @ Notre Dame last season, @ TCU in '21, @Ole Miss in 19 and @ UNC in 17.  WSU played @ Wisconsin in 22 and @Houston in 21.

The list of Pac-12 road games (and thereby the list of reasons you're wrong) would be much longer if not for the pandemic year.   Moreover, whenever the SEC, B1G or ACC do OOC P5 games, they are FAR more often playing within their own conference footprint (see UF @ FSU, SC @ Clemson, UGA @ GA Tech, etc.).   When UW travels to UA, they're going a fuckload farther than LSU playing @ North Carolina or some shit (not to mention LSU plays "neutral" games in Texas and then deigns to call them away OOC games, lol).

No conference in the country incurs more travel miles than the Pac 12.  None.  Your theory is patently wrong, which is something I should get a macro key for when I respond to you.

 

 

[HLB]

On 4/11/2023 at 10:24 AM, Orange said:

every other year.

Correct - every other year.

As opposed to "every year".  With a 4 game OOC schedule, most PAC12 teams would have to travel across country every year, and in the case of the two schools you just mentioned, perhaps twice in one year.

On 4/11/2023 at 10:24 AM, Orange said:

Oregon, in the past four years alone, has played @ UGA, @ Auburn, @ Ohio State.

Didn't play at Auburn.  Played Auburn in Arlington, TX which is not in the Eastern part of the country.

Played @ Ohio State and @ UGA.  But the point is, that they don't want teams traveling across country every year, and especially twice per year.  PAC12 administrators are on record as saying that fatigue and sleep deprivation are important factors in OOC games that are played.

On 4/11/2023 at 10:24 AM, Orange said:

Oregon State, in the past 5 years, has played @ Purdue, @ Oklahoma State, and @ Ohio State. 

OK State was played in Corvallis.  True, @ Ohio State and @ Purdue:  Two cross country road games in five years, separated by 3 years in between.  Not an annual cross-country trip, not in consecutive years and definitely not twice in one year.  Which was what I was saying.

On 4/11/2023 at 10:24 AM, Orange said:

Stanford (in addition to ND) has played @ K-State, @ Northwestern and @ Rice in the past 5 years. 

2016, K-State @ Stanford.  ND in South Bend.  2017, ND @ Stanford.  Stanford played @ND in 2018.  In 2019, Northwestern was @ Stanford.  ND was @ Stanford.  In 2021, ND @ Stanford, K-State in Arlington (which is not East), and @ Vandy.  In 2022, @ND .... So in 7 seasons, Four cross-country games, which is what I was saying - once, every other year, and not every year, let alone twice per year (which would happen frequently with a 4 game OOC schedule).

UA has recently played @ MS State and @ Houston.  Stanford (in addition to ND) has played @ K-State, @ Northwestern and @ Rice in the past 5 years.  

UA played @ Houston in 2018 and MS State in Tuscon, in 2022.  And Houston is not in the East.  But I will give your credit, which would mean 1 cross country OOC game in 5 years.  Which is what I was pointing out.  Rice was in Australia, at the start of the season, before classes began, and two weeks out before their next game.

On 4/11/2023 at 10:24 AM, Orange said:

UCLA has played @ Cincinnati, @ LSU and @ Oklahoma within the past decade. 

Correct, and exactly my point (did you even read what I wrote?).  Not an annual trips across the country.  About once every other year, and not twice in one year (which would happen frequently with a 4 game OOC schedule).

On 4/11/2023 at 10:24 AM, Orange said:

ASU has played @ Okie State last year, @ Mich State in 19, and @ TT in 17.

Correct - every other year, not every year.  And OK State and TX are not cross-country.  In fact, those are shorter trips for ASU than for them to travel to Washington, Oregon or Oregon State.  The point is no cross-country travel, every year, and especially twice in one year (which would happen frequently with a 4 game OOC schedule).

On 4/11/2023 at 10:24 AM, Orange said:

WSU played @ Wisconsin in 22 and @Houston in 21.

Houston was in 2019 and is no across the country, or cross-country.   Wisconsin in 2022 is correct.  And they traveled to Rutgers in 2015, as well as Auburn in 2013 .... Three cross-country trips in 11 years.

You continue to prove my point - PAC12 trying to avoid annual cross-country trips, and/or two cross-country trips in one season.  And if they played 4 OOC games per year, they would have annual cross-country trips and sometimes twice in one season.

On 4/11/2023 at 10:24 AM, Orange said:

they are FAR more often playing within their own conference footprint (see UF @ FSU, SC @ Clemson, UGA @ GA Tech, etc.). 

Unlike the PAC12, the SEC, ACC and B1G are surrounded by an abundance of schools in which to play.  The PAC12 has "zero" P5 opponents in their footprint, unless you want to consider BYU a P5 opponent.

As for UF an FSU - they are mandated by state legislature to play every year.  They both have had seasons where they have had to play Miami, too.

S. Carolina v. Clemson - mandated by state legislature.

UGA v. GaTech - mandated by state legislature

You left out Kentucky and Louisville.

Because of these games you mention, most of these teams play two P5 OOC opponents each year, and not just one.  In the PAC12, most seasons, at least two teams fail to play a single P5 OOC opponent.

On 4/11/2023 at 10:24 AM, Orange said:

When UW travels to UA, they're going a fuckload farther than LSU playing @ North Carolina

That is true.  But UW is not traveling across country every year, which is what the PAc12 was trying to avoid by adding another conference game.

On 4/11/2023 at 10:24 AM, Orange said:

(not to mention LSU plays "neutral" games in Texas and then deigns to call them away OOC games, lol).

LSU has had 5 neutral site games in 12 years.  Two of those were in Arlington vs. TCU (which is a home game for TCU) and Texas (less of a neutral site for Texas than LSU).  In 2013 LSU traveled to Syracuse, to Wisconsin (2016) and to UCLA (2021).

The neutral-site games, are not set up by the schools.  LSU doesn't go to Arlington, Texas and tell Jerry Jones "We're going to play a game in your stadium this fall".

The neutral-site games are set up by committees (much like a bowl committee) where they invite the schools to come play.  Schools can say no.  But both schools benefit in that the payout is much larger than a home-and-home, and without having to contend with the concerns of parking, concessions, security, and etc., - all the things that go along with hosting a game.  AND their travel is paid for.  That's the attraction of neutral-site games.

LSU didn't schedule those games, they were invited to those sites by committees putting together a game to start the season.

OVERALL, you have eloquently proved my point:  PAC12 does not want their teams traveling EVERY YEAR across country, and especially twice in one year.  That's why they opted to play 9 conference games instead of 4 OOC games.  As you noted, the ACC, SEC and B1G are surrounded by prospective OOC opponents.  That's not the case with the PAC12, and to play P5 OOC opponents they have to travel across the country (Texas is not across the country), and with time changes, etc. it creates sleep deprivation issues, that they are trying to avoid.  That's why you "rarely" see a PAC12 team travel across country and play a game at night.

But thank you for proving my point.

On 4/11/2023 at 10:24 AM, Orange said:

Cal played @ Notre Dame last season, @ TCU in '21, @Ole Miss in 19 and @ UNC in 17.

Correct.  And again, the emphasis is on cross-country travel.  TCU is not across the country.  The other three are across the country, or cross-country.  And - as I stated - not in succeeding years, but every other year.  With 4 OOC games, PAC12 teams would have annual cross-country trips, every years, and on some seasons, twice in one year.

 

 

[azgreg]

Bill Belichick was at Arizona's practice today.

 

[row Z]

On 4/12/2023 at 6:25 PM, azgreg said:

Bill Belichick was at Arizona's practice today.

 

Jedd Fisch ----> Patriots OC

[Orange]

On 4/12/2023 at 4:52 AM, HLB said:

Correct - every other year.

As opposed to "every year".  With a 4 game OOC schedule, most PAC12 teams would have to travel across country every year, and in the case of the two schools you just mentioned, perhaps twice in one year.

Didn't play at Auburn.  Played Auburn in Arlington, TX which is not in the Eastern part of the country.

Played @ Ohio State and @ UGA.  But the point is, that they don't want teams traveling across country every year, and especially twice per year.  PAC12 administrators are on record as saying that fatigue and sleep deprivation are important factors in OOC games that are played.

OK State was played in Corvallis.  True, @ Ohio State and @ Purdue:  Two cross country road games in five years, separated by 3 years in between.  Not an annual cross-country trip, not in consecutive years and definitely not twice in one year.  Which was what I was saying.

2016, K-State @ Stanford.  ND in South Bend.  2017, ND @ Stanford.  Stanford played @ND in 2018.  In 2019, Northwestern was @ Stanford.  ND was @ Stanford.  In 2021, ND @ Stanford, K-State in Arlington (which is not East), and @ Vandy.  In 2022, @ND .... So in 7 seasons, Four cross-country games, which is what I was saying - once, every other year, and not every year, let alone twice per year (which would happen frequently with a 4 game OOC schedule).

UA has recently played @ MS State and @ Houston.  Stanford (in addition to ND) has played @ K-State, @ Northwestern and @ Rice in the past 5 years.  

UA played @ Houston in 2018 and MS State in Tuscon, in 2022.  And Houston is not in the East.  But I will give your credit, which would mean 1 cross country OOC game in 5 years.  Which is what I was pointing out.  Rice was in Australia, at the start of the season, before classes began, and two weeks out before their next game.

Correct, and exactly my point (did you even read what I wrote?).  Not an annual trips across the country.  About once every other year, and not twice in one year (which would happen frequently with a 4 game OOC schedule).

Correct - every other year, not every year.  And OK State and TX are not cross-country.  In fact, those are shorter trips for ASU than for them to travel to Washington, Oregon or Oregon State.  The point is no cross-country travel, every year, and especially twice in one year (which would happen frequently with a 4 game OOC schedule).

Houston was in 2019 and is no across the country, or cross-country.   Wisconsin in 2022 is correct.  And they traveled to Rutgers in 2015, as well as Auburn in 2013 .... Three cross-country trips in 11 years.

You continue to prove my point - PAC12 trying to avoid annual cross-country trips, and/or two cross-country trips in one season.  And if they played 4 OOC games per year, they would have annual cross-country trips and sometimes twice in one season.

Unlike the PAC12, the SEC, ACC and B1G are surrounded by an abundance of schools in which to play.  The PAC12 has "zero" P5 opponents in their footprint, unless you want to consider BYU a P5 opponent.

As for UF an FSU - they are mandated by state legislature to play every year.  They both have had seasons where they have had to play Miami, too.

S. Carolina v. Clemson - mandated by state legislature.

UGA v. GaTech - mandated by state legislature

You left out Kentucky and Louisville.

Because of these games you mention, most of these teams play two P5 OOC opponents each year, and not just one.  In the PAC12, most seasons, at least two teams fail to play a single P5 OOC opponent.

That is true.  But UW is not traveling across country every year, which is what the PAc12 was trying to avoid by adding another conference game.

LSU has had 5 neutral site games in 12 years.  Two of those were in Arlington vs. TCU (which is a home game for TCU) and Texas (less of a neutral site for Texas than LSU).  In 2013 LSU traveled to Syracuse, to Wisconsin (2016) and to UCLA (2021).

The neutral-site games, are not set up by the schools.  LSU doesn't go to Arlington, Texas and tell Jerry Jones "We're going to play a game in your stadium this fall".

The neutral-site games are set up by committees (much like a bowl committee) where they invite the schools to come play.  Schools can say no.  But both schools benefit in that the payout is much larger than a home-and-home, and without having to contend with the concerns of parking, concessions, security, and etc., - all the things that go along with hosting a game.  AND their travel is paid for.  That's the attraction of neutral-site games.

LSU didn't schedule those games, they were invited to those sites by committees putting together a game to start the season.

OVERALL, you have eloquently proved my point:  PAC12 does not want their teams traveling EVERY YEAR across country, and especially twice in one year.  That's why they opted to play 9 conference games instead of 4 OOC games.  As you noted, the ACC, SEC and B1G are surrounded by prospective OOC opponents.  That's not the case with the PAC12, and to play P5 OOC opponents they have to travel across the country (Texas is not across the country), and with time changes, etc. it creates sleep deprivation issues, that they are trying to avoid.  That's why you "rarely" see a PAC12 team travel across country and play a game at night.

But thank you for proving my point.

Correct.  And again, the emphasis is on cross-country travel.  TCU is not across the country.  The other three are across the country, or cross-country.  And - as I stated - not in succeeding years, but every other year.  With 4 OOC games, PAC12 teams would have annual cross-country trips, every years, and on some seasons, twice in one year.

 

 

Jesus christ you're aggressively fucking stupid.  You claimed the Pac-12 doesn't want to travel, and that's why we have 9 conference games.  I proved you wrong.  No one claimed shit about "every year", and you said "east of Colorado", which Texas surely is, fucking moron.

Shut the fuck up with your boring-ass 1,000-word treatises that provide absolutely ZERO insight.  I don't give a shit WHY the SEC and ACC play their p5 rivalry games nearby, I pointed out THAT'S WHAT THEY DO, and you confirmed it, you insufferable fucking dipshit.

[HLB]

On 4/13/2023 at 11:53 AM, Orange said:

Jesus christ you're aggressively fucking stupid.  You claimed the Pac-12 doesn't want to travel, and that's why we have 9 conference games. 

No .... That's not what I said at all.

I said the PAC12 doesn't want their teams traveling across country every year, and that that's why they play 9 conference games, because 4 OOC games would mean teams would annually have to travel across the country, and in some seasons, they may travel across country twice.

You're not reading my statement accurately.

And this isn't new.  I've said this for years. 

What your provided in your initial reply is exactly what I was saying .... Your proved my point.

With the exception of Oregon traveling to Ohio State in 2021 and then to Georgia in 2022, every team you listed shows that they travel across country "every other year", and most of the time, not even that often.  And this is for the very reason I stated - the PAC12 doesn't want teams traveling across country every year, and certainly not twice in one season.

So they decided on an extra conference game, to reduce extended travels.

And "no" games in Texas are not extended travels.  I'm talking about trips to Georgia, Florida, Ohio State, ND, Rutgers, Michigan .... Teams (schools) that are East of Texas.

[Orange]

On 4/14/2023 at 3:12 PM, HLB said:

No .... That's not what I said at all.

I said the PAC12 doesn't want their teams traveling across country every year, and that that's why they play 9 conference games, because 4 OOC games would mean teams would annually have to travel across the country, and in some seasons, they may travel across country twice.

You're not reading my statement accurately.

And this isn't new.  I've said this for years. 

What your provided in your initial reply is exactly what I was saying .... Your proved my point.

With the exception of Oregon traveling to Ohio State in 2021 and then to Georgia in 2022, every team you listed shows that they travel across country "every other year", and most of the time, not even that often.  And this is for the very reason I stated - the PAC12 doesn't want teams traveling across country every year, and certainly not twice in one season.

So they decided on an extra conference game, to reduce extended travels.

And "no" games in Texas are not extended travels.  I'm talking about trips to Georgia, Florida, Ohio State, ND, Rutgers, Michigan .... Teams (schools) that are East of Texas.

No, that is not the reason we play 9 conf games.  Just no.  Period.  

[Quack 12]

On 4/14/2023 at 3:12 PM, HLB said:

I said the PAC12 doesn't want their teams traveling across country every year, and that that's why they play 9 conference games, because 4 OOC games would mean teams would annually have to travel across the country, and in some seasons, they may travel across country twice.

This is bullshit.

The Pac-10 went to nine conference games in 2006 because at the time it created a perfect round robin out of the conference schedule. It had little to nothing to do with travel. After expansion, Larry Scott argued that the nine-game schedule would give the Pac-12 a competitive advantage, which was also bullshit.

Tell me, why couldn't the Pac-12 go to eight conference games, and just like most SEC schools, play three OOC stiffs at home every year? It would have no effect on travel at all, they'd just have to lay out another million or two to buy another body bag game.

[duckfandan]

I believe part of the logic in staying at 9 was that there are less programs to give paydays in the west for one and done series.

[EastCoastFan]

Nine games is the norm for three of the P5, with the B1G and Big-12 also on board with the Pac with it.  Even in the ACC, with Notre Dame showing up on five teams' schedules, they're edging toward nine.  It's only in the smelly southeast, where they have trouble with odd numbers, as well as which way to roll the toilet roll, that they stick to eight.

[HLB]

On 4/17/2023 at 9:35 PM, Quack 12 said:

This is bullshit.

The Pac-10 went to nine conference games in 2006 because at the time it created a perfect round robin out of the conference schedule. It had little to nothing to do with travel. After expansion, Larry Scott argued that the nine-game schedule would give the Pac-12 a competitive advantage, which was also bullshit.

Tell me, why couldn't the Pac-12 go to eight conference games, and just like most SEC schools, play three OOC stiffs at home every year? It would have no effect on travel at all, they'd just have to lay out another million or two to buy another body bag game.

SEC schools don't play three OOC stiffs at home every year.  And why don't you tell me why the PAC12 won't go to an 8 game conference schedule?

So why don't PAC12 teams play OOC opponents that would require them to travel across country every year?  Why do they play OOC opponents across country about once every two years (at best) and most of the time, once every three years?