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On 7/1/2022 at 11:33 AM, Mano said:

Will there be any political pressure on UCLA to stay with Cal?

Political? Probably not. Cal sports is probably the biggest dying vine ian sports. But the UC regents might make a fuss though I suspect it won't matter since there are other UC sports programs out there

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Curious for your take on what this means for Cal and Stanford and how other conferences value/think about the Bay Area media market. — @nwpapas

Do you think Cal and Stanford might use this opportunity to exit football? — @BearFlagFan

In all candor, I believe this could mark the beginning of the end of major college football for the Bay Area schools.

Their relatively low value within the college football marketplace is one reason for that bleak outlook.

Yes, the Bay Area is a huge media market, and that mattered a decade ago when it was all about how many cable homes were in your footprint.

Now, the main driver is brand value: Fox and ESPN will pay for the football programs that generate ratings and are most likely to land in prime TV windows. Neither Bay Area team clears those bars.

(From the standpoint of potential membership in the Big Ten, why would Northwestern ever want the conference to toss Stanford a lifeline? They are direct competitors on the recruiting trail.)

The other reason for our skepticism is the economic landscape.

At some point in the near future, college athletes likely will be declared employees, or pseudo-employees, and receive compensation from the schools for their services.

There’s no chance Stanford would ever do that, and we doubt Cal would take the plunge. On both campuses, the faculty would revolt like it’s Paris in 1789.

Add the unseemly aspect of name, image and likeness — when it’s used as a proxy for pay-for-play — and the entire sport is careening in a direction that conflicts with the institutional philosophies on both sides of the Bay.

 

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What’s the most likely scenario, in your view, for Washington State? Do president Kirk Schulz’s personal connections make any difference? — @TWamsgans

Schulz spent seven years as the president of Kansas State (2009-16) and could attempt to use his relationships in the Big 12 to broker a deal in which the Pac-12 survives in some form or fashion.

Will that be enough? We cannot say.

But were the Hotline to offer a Fear Factor list — the Pac-12 schools with the most to lose in the next 18-24 months — the Cougars would be at the top, followed closely by Oregon State, Stanford, Cal and Colorado.

 

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How did the LA schools get around this?

https://pac-12compliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/2021-22-P12-Handbook.V1.pdf

3. Withdrawal.

No member shall deliver a notice of withdrawal to the Conference in the period beginning on July 24, 2011, and ending on August 1, 2024; provided, that if any member does deliver a notice of withdrawal prior to August 1, 2024, in violation of this chapter, the Conference shall be entitled to an injunction and other equitable relief to prevent such breach, and if a court of competent jurisdiction shall deny the Conference such injunctive relief, the Conference shall be entitled to retain all the media and sponsorship rights in the multi-player video distribution (MPVD) and telecommunications/wireless categories of the member purporting to withdraw through August 1, 2024, even if the member is then a member of another conference or an independent school for some or all intercollegiate sports competitions. Additionally, if a member delivers notice of withdrawal in violation of this chapter, the member’s representative to the CEO Group shall automatically cease to be a member of the CEO Group and shall cease to have the right to vote on any matter before the CEO Group. (6/10, 10/10, 7/11)

 

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On 7/4/2022 at 2:01 PM, azgreg said:

How did the LA schools get around this?

https://pac-12compliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/2021-22-P12-Handbook.V1.pdf

3. Withdrawal.

No member shall deliver a notice of withdrawal to the Conference in the period beginning on July 24, 2011, and ending on August 1, 2024; provided, that if any member does deliver a notice of withdrawal prior to August 1, 2024, in violation of this chapter, the Conference shall be entitled to an injunction and other equitable relief to prevent such breach, and if a court of competent jurisdiction shall deny the Conference such injunctive relief, the Conference shall be entitled to retain all the media and sponsorship rights in the multi-player video distribution (MPVD) and telecommunications/wireless categories of the member purporting to withdraw through August 1, 2024, even if the member is then a member of another conference or an independent school for some or all intercollegiate sports competitions. Additionally, if a member delivers notice of withdrawal in violation of this chapter, the member’s representative to the CEO Group shall automatically cease to be a member of the CEO Group and shall cease to have the right to vote on any matter before the CEO Group. (6/10, 10/10, 7/11)

 

The way I'm reading is that you can't give a notice of intention to withdraw from the conference between 7/24/2011 - 8/1/24. But that you can give a notice to withdraw after that date which is technically what happened, they just said they won't renew the GOR and will withdraw from the conference on 8/2/24. I read another article that the GOR required a notice to be given on 6/30/22 before the next media rights deal can be signed for 6/30/24. So it does seem a little contradictory to what's in the bylaws. But I'm not a lawyer so it's just a guess...

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On 7/4/2022 at 3:01 PM, azgreg said:

How did the LA schools get around this?

https://pac-12compliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/2021-22-P12-Handbook.V1.pdf

3. Withdrawal.

No member shall deliver a notice of withdrawal to the Conference in the period beginning on July 24, 2011, and ending on August 1, 2024; provided, that if any member does deliver a notice of withdrawal prior to August 1, 2024, in violation of this chapter, the Conference shall be entitled to an injunction and other equitable relief to prevent such breach, and if a court of competent jurisdiction shall deny the Conference such injunctive relief, the Conference shall be entitled to retain all the media and sponsorship rights in the multi-player video distribution (MPVD) and telecommunications/wireless categories of the member purporting to withdraw through August 1, 2024, even if the member is then a member of another conference or an independent school for some or all intercollegiate sports competitions. Additionally, if a member delivers notice of withdrawal in violation of this chapter, the member’s representative to the CEO Group shall automatically cease to be a member of the CEO Group and shall cease to have the right to vote on any matter before the CEO Group. (6/10, 10/10, 7/11)

 

That is why they announced USC & UCLA joining the Big Ten on August 2, 2024.  No exit penalties in this case!

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On 7/11/2022 at 11:11 AM, Orange said:

Does this "AAU" bullshit mean anything, or is it more moronic @PAC MAN speak?

In the past, the B1G definitely cared a lot about schools being AAU. At this point, and at these money levels, not sure if it matters as much. They certainly take ND without it, not sure about others.

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