Utefan1211 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 We never hear about super conferences eliminating schools that bring little to nothing to the table. If the SEC and the Big 10 are truly looking for the best conferences, why have teams like Mississippi, Vanderbilt, Purdue, Northwestern, Rutgers in your league? Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clpp01 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 On 7/3/2022 at 11:00 AM, Utefan1211 said: We never hear about super conferences eliminating schools that bring little to nothing to the table. If the SEC and the Big 10 are truly looking for the best conferences, why have teams like Mississippi, Vanderbilt, Purdue, Northwestern, Rutgers in your league? Thoughts? Not worth the legal headache (yet) and the Ohio States and Alabamas of the those worlds still need the built in wins inside the conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBug708 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 On 7/3/2022 at 11:00 AM, Utefan1211 said: We never hear about super conferences eliminating schools that bring little to nothing to the table. If the SEC and the Big 10 are truly looking for the best conferences, why have teams like Mississippi, Vanderbilt, Purdue, Northwestern, Rutgers in your league? Thoughts? Vanderbilt, Northwestern bring academics and research dollars. Purdue and Mississippi are in the footprint and well established, though Miss State would get told to kick rocks before Ole Miss is. Rutgers brings more value than any team not named UCLA and USC. If it was about football, Oregon would be getting the offer over UCLA, but it's not about football alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scscsc89 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 how do you think they get so many of their teams to 10 wins? OOC cupcakes only get you so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan209 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 I know for the PAC-12 they can only boot members out if they're breaking conference rules/policies, NCAA rules/policies, becoming ineligible for participation at the Division 1 level, or if they attempt to withdraw from the conference too early/not give proper notice. Basically you have to really be trying to get kicked out. They can't just kick you out just because you're not pulling your weight. The only way I see that happening is by schools leaving to create a new league and it would have to be a blank check that's too good to refuse. PAC-12 Bylaws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scscsc89 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 … or maybe you join a better-funded, existing league and then just invite most but not all of your old pals to join you. Then spin off as a new division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtd Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 On 7/3/2022 at 6:50 PM, MrBug708 said: Vanderbilt, Northwestern bring academics and research dollars. Purdue and Mississippi are in the footprint and well established, though Miss State would get told to kick rocks before Ole Miss is. Rutgers brings more value than any team not named UCLA and USC. If it was about football, Oregon would be getting the offer over UCLA, but it's not about football alone. How do research dollars win football games? The whole sentiment that it's about academics has always been a lie. If Oregon hadn't had OHSU stolen from them, and had been allowed to create an engineering program, they'd be UW academically. Also, the difference between 80th and 120th is next to nothing. One has 27.7 students per faculty and another has 28.1 GTFO. If you're a top 120 U in the nation you're a very good school. Also, we just lump every major together while ignoring what actual candidates want: their chosen métier. IDGAF about USC film school if I want to learn about mining technology or animal husbandry. Stanford has a 12 billion dollar endowment built from the slave labor of immigrants so they could win President's Cups with 47 sports nobody else has. FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckfandan Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 11:04 PM, dtd said: How do research dollars win football games? The whole sentiment that it's about academics has always been a lie. If Oregon hadn't had OHSU stolen from them, and had been allowed to create an engineering program, they'd be UW academically. Also, the difference between 80th and 120th is next to nothing. One has 27.7 students per faculty and another has 28.1 GTFO. If you're a top 120 U in the nation you're a very good school. Also, we just lump every major together while ignoring what actual candidates want: their chosen métier. IDGAF about USC film school if I want to learn about mining technology or animal husbandry. Stanford has a 12 billion dollar endowment built from the slave labor of immigrants so they could win President's Cups with 47 sports nobody else has. FFS. Here for this energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBug708 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 11:04 PM, dtd said: How do research dollars win football games? The whole sentiment that it's about academics has always been a lie. If Oregon hadn't had OHSU stolen from them, and had been allowed to create an engineering program, they'd be UW academically. Also, the difference between 80th and 120th is next to nothing. One has 27.7 students per faculty and another has 28.1 GTFO. If you're a top 120 U in the nation you're a very good school. Also, we just lump every major together while ignoring what actual candidates want: their chosen métier. IDGAF about USC film school if I want to learn about mining technology or animal husbandry. Stanford has a 12 billion dollar endowment built from the slave labor of immigrants so they could win President's Cups with 47 sports nobody else has. FFS. https://btaa.org/research Visiting the forums, this is a huge point of conversation when checking out other message boards. Whether it actually means much, who knows, but it's always talked about as a sticking point. Much like BYU was always under the gun for academics from the PAC-12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 11:04 PM, dtd said: How do research dollars win football games? The whole sentiment that it's about academics has always been a lie. If Oregon hadn't had OHSU stolen from them, and had been allowed to create an engineering program, they'd be UW academically. Also, the difference between 80th and 120th is next to nothing. One has 27.7 students per faculty and another has 28.1 GTFO. If you're a top 120 U in the nation you're a very good school. Also, we just lump every major together while ignoring what actual candidates want: their chosen métier. IDGAF about USC film school if I want to learn about mining technology or animal husbandry. Stanford has a 12 billion dollar endowment built from the slave labor of immigrants so they could win President's Cups with 47 sports nobody else has. FFS. Agreed, all this "AAU" and "research institution" pontificating from people is hugely fucking stupid. That has fuck-all to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 On 7/13/2022 at 7:58 AM, MrBug708 said: https://btaa.org/research Visiting the forums, this is a huge point of conversation when checking out other message boards. Whether it actually means much, who knows, but it's always talked about as a sticking point. Much like BYU was always under the gun for academics from the PAC-12. People in message boards are idiots. Christ, look at us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan209 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 On 7/13/2022 at 11:46 AM, Orange said: Agreed, all this "AAU" and "research institution" pontificating from people is hugely fucking stupid. That has fuck-all to do with it. I think it goes a little deeper than some might think. Keep in mind that it's university presidents & chancellors that ultimately make these types of decisions on who to associate with in a conference. Stanford/Iowa Research football as a status system in u.s. higher education.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysfit Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Eyeballs on tv sets. Because the TV deals rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysfit Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 And what the hell is with that little rocket ship on our avis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 On 7/13/2022 at 1:53 PM, mysfit said: And what the hell is with that little rocket ship on our avis? It means you're super cool, bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scscsc89 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 On 7/13/2022 at 11:47 AM, Orange said: People in message boards are idiots. Christ, look at us! At least I can feel superior to the SportsRadio people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 On 7/14/2022 at 12:03 PM, Scscsc89 said: At least I can feel superior to the SportsRadio people. Long-time lurker, first-time poster.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtd Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 On 7/13/2022 at 1:47 PM, Orange said: People in message boards are idiots. Christ, look at us! I'd rather not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azgreg Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 On 7/13/2022 at 11:47 AM, Orange said: People in message boards are idiots. Christ, look at us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 Some of these Conferences migjt be better off listening to what fans want. I've seen some WVU posters on other Boards saying they are glad to be in the so called P5, but with no natural or regional rivals, the excitement of playing a TCU doesn't compare to their lost rivalries with Pitt, Maryland, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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