Scscsc89 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Not sure this paints Oregon State in the best light ... http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/dennis-dodd/24982746/wisconsins-admission-standards-pushed-gary-andersen-to-oregon-state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUGRDON Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Only to those that are unaware of how unique Wisconsin is with respect to admissions policy. It's not like you have Oregon State players wandering around with tattoos that misspell their Mother's name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scscsc89 Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 not yet at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scscsc89 Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 (That would've been funnier if you hadn't learned about it from me.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUGRDON Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 (That would've been funnier if you hadn't learned about it from me.) Not aware that I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I don't buy it. Andersen left Wisconsin because it is too damn hard to recruit there. If you're not in a conference with access to talent from California, Texas or Florida, it's going to be impossible to sustain any success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBug708 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Sultans woes are well documented Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 "Pac-12 bottom feeder"? Eesh. That's a little harsh for the team with the 3rd or 4th best conference record in the past 15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scscsc89 Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 "Pac-12 bottom feeder"? Eesh. That's a little harsh for the team with the 3rd or 4th best conference record in the past 15 years. I thought so too -- it's not like Oregon State is Indiana. The Beavers pop in to the rankings regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Hail Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I don't buy it. Andersen left Wisconsin because it is too damn hard to recruit there. If you're not in a conference with access to talent from California, Texas or Florida, it's going to be impossible to sustain any success. What? Wisconsin routinely goes to Rose Bowls and upper tier bowls while producing the 2nd most NFL talent in the Big 10 and you think it's too hard to recruit there? You honestly think it's easier to recruit at Oregon State? The past 50 years of recruiting analytics would disagree with you. Oregon State's best recruiting class in the past 7 years was ranked 40th. Wisconsin has only had two classes in 7 years that were worse than 40th and one of those years they only recruited 11 players. This year, Wisconsin ranks 25th while Oregon State ranks 85th. As for sustainable success, Wisconsin has been to six Rose Bowls in the last 20 years, which is tied with USC for most appearances during that time span. Oregon State has 0 in that time span. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakedmolerat Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 If I had to guess, I'd say this is a sort of diplomatic white lie type answer to cover something else. What that is, I don't know, but maybe it's that working for Alverez sucks a fat one. Anderson saw a chance to scoot out of there and compete elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 What? Wisconsin routinely goes to Rose Bowls and upper tier bowls while producing the 2nd most NFL talent in the Big 10 and you think it's too hard to recruit there? You honestly think it's easier to recruit at Oregon State? The past 50 years of recruiting analytics would disagree with you. Oregon State's best recruiting class in the past 7 years was ranked 40th. Wisconsin has only had two classes in 7 years that were worse than 40th and one of those years they only recruited 11 players. This year, Wisconsin ranks 25th while Oregon State ranks 85th. As for sustainable success, Wisconsin has been to six Rose Bowls in the last 20 years, which is tied with USC for most appearances during that time span. Oregon State has 0 in that time span. You actually believe the recruiting class rankings? Big mistake. Don't you agree that those rankings are full of bias? I agree that Wisconsin has done well in the Big 10 to reach the Rose Bowl. But look at what they are competing against in that conference. Wisconsin has three straight losses in Rose Bowl appearances. The BIG is 6-10 in the Rose Bowl over the past 20 years. The PAC recruits primarily out of Southern California. It is a much tougher conference over the BIG in the past 20 years. If Wisconsin had to play Oregon State's schedule every year, no way does it reach the Rose Bowl at their past rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scscsc89 Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 If I had to guess, I'd say this is a sort of diplomatic white lie type answer to cover something else. What that is, I don't know, but maybe it's that working for Alverez sucks a fat one. Anderson saw a chance to scoot out of there and compete elsewhere. Maybe it's a combo of "Barry Alvarez is a pain in the ass" and "Urban Meyer is building a dynasty". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Hail Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 You actually believe the recruiting class rankings? Big mistake. Don't you agree that those rankings are full of bias? The rankings have a certain amount of bias sure, but not enough to make up for the discrepancy between Oregon State and Wisconsin. It's not exactly a surprise that this has translated into far more NFL players for Wisconsin. I agree that Wisconsin has done well in the Big 10 to reach the Rose Bowl. But look at what they are competing against in that conference. Wisconsin has three straight losses in Rose Bowl appearances. The BIG is 6-10 in the Rose Bowl over the past 20 years. Wisconsin hasn't just done well, they've done extremely well, as in, more consistent than Ohio State and Michigan well for a 20 year period. Is that not the definition of sustained success? The PAC recruits primarily out of Southern California. It is a much tougher conference over the BIG in the past 20 years. If Wisconsin had to play Oregon State's schedule every year, no way does it reach the Rose Bowl at their past rate. You're making my point for me by saying the Pac 12 is a tougher conference. A tougher conference would make it hard to obtain sustained success would it not? If Gary Anderson was looking for an easier road to sustained success, why would he go to a school that is in a tougher conference and brings in weaker recruits? Nobody in the history of Oregon State has ever had sustained success unless your definition is a bunch of seven win seasons strung together. Let's revisit your original post. I don't buy it. Andersen left Wisconsin because it is too damn hard to recruit there. If you're not in a conference with access to talent from California, Texas or Florida, it's going to be impossible to sustain any success. How exactly have you proven that it's harder to recruit at Wisconsin than Oregon State? All you've done is dismiss the recruiting rankings. How exactly is it impossible to sustain any success when you've been to six Rose Bowls in 20 years and play in a weak conference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I believe that Urban Meyer will dominate the Big 10 in the coming years. Ohio State is the only school in the BIG that scares anybody. The state of Ohio produces a lot of top talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Hail Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I believe that Urban Meyer will dominate the Big 10 in the coming years. Ohio State is the only school in the BIG that scares anybody. The state of Ohio produces a lot of top talent. Yes, and those states are over-saturated with recruiters. Look at Wisconsin's roster. They have several players from Ohio, and a few from Tx, Fl, and CA but most of their players are in state, including the Heisman runner-up. http://www.uwbadgers.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/wis-m-footbl-mtt.html The advantage here is that the vast majority of division one prospects from Wisconsin want to play for Wisconsin. There is little competition. It's similar to the LSU effect in Louisiana. You're placing far too much emphasis on your theory of recruiting 3 states -- which has now been amended to 5 states -- and not enough emphasis on historical results. I also wouldn't be so quick to count at Harbaugh at Michigan. If he can turnaround San Diego, Stanford and the 49ers, why not a recruiting powerhouse like Michigan who has far were academic hurdles than Stanford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage U Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I believe that Urban Meyer will dominate the Big 10 in the coming years. Ohio State is the only school in the BIG that scares anybody. At least until Urban makes his triumphant return to Utah after Whitt hangs it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 How exactly have you proven that it's harder to recruit at Wisconsin than Oregon State? All you've done is dismiss the recruiting rankings. How exactly is it impossible to sustain any success when you've been to six Rose Bowls in 20 years and play in a weak conference? Your math is a little off. I count 5 Rose Bowl appearances for Wisconsin in 20 years. I think Andersen sees an opportunity to win at OSU because he will have access to So Cal recruits. Oregon proved that a school from the Northwest can achieve sustained success. Anderson will recruit hard from Southern California. Wisconsin will continue to recruit its own Midwest region. Good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Hail Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Your math is a little off. I count 5 Rose Bowl appearances for Wisconsin in 20 years. I think Andersen sees an opportunity to win at OSU because he will have access to So Cal recruits. Oregon proved that a school from the Northwest can achieve sustained success. Anderson will recruit hard from Southern California. Wisconsin will continue to recruit its own Midwest region. Good luck with that. 5 in 20 years, 6 in 21 years. Really? Every OSU coach has attempted to recruit So Cal hard but the fact is, So Cal recruits don't want to go to a university in Oregon not named Oregon. Phil Knight spent a lot of time and energy branding Oregon as the cool/in university as well as bringing an innovative/successful offense and it worked brilliantly. But Oregon State doesn't have the resources or the cache of Oregon, they are 2nd fiddle in a small state. The reality is, So Cal recruits will go to USC/UCLA/Oregon/Stanford/Cal/UW/SEC/Michigan/OSU/Florida State/ etc before they choose Oregon State. This is evidenced by their inability to win significant recruiting battles against big-time teams. Wisconsin has had very good luck with that, have you already forgotten the 6 Rose Bowls in 21 years? You're a stubborn one. And your history is a little off, UW proved a school from the Northwest can achieve sustained success long before Oregon did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 5 in 20 years, 6 in 21 years. Really? 6 in 22 years. But who's counting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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