clpp01
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Would gladly trade ASU being left behind in favor of Oregon St & Washington St.
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This about sums up the course of events this morning.
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Was this all a Kirk Schulz psy-op campaign?
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On 8/3/2023 at 10:09 PM, Schmick said:
So who is to blame for killing the Pac 12?
The Pac presidents are to blame for the collapse of the conference. They are the ones who have for decades ran the conference like a country club while everyone else was running it like a business, they (Stanford) are the ones who blocked Texas from joining, they are the ones who hired Larry Scott and then refused to hold him accountable and for the longest time refused (Crow...) to remove him when it was beyond obvious he was causing irreparable harm to the conference. They failed to see the landscape changing in front of them and as the saying goes adapt or perish and the conference never adapted.
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Washington has gotten too comfortable with those 9pm start times.
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On 8/2/2023 at 7:02 PM, EastCoastFan said:
Not sure if accurate, probably just another rumor, but heard from a staff member at a B1G school's athletic department (1) ASU, Arizona, and UConn go to the Big-12. (2) Oregon, Washington, Stanford (the three at at cut rate,) and Notre Dame (at full-rate+) for the B1G. Left out are Cal, Oregon St, Washington St, and Utah.
I think chances are higher that Arizona joins the B1G then Notre Dame.
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2 down, 36 more to go.
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Whether now or later this was always the future once UCLA/SC left.
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So after a year the best offer available is the Pac-12 Network part deux?
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On 8/1/2023 at 10:57 AM, PAC MAN said:
The one they will be sending out after UA to the Big 12 is official later today?
We can't leave yet. We still have 37 more board meetings to schedule.
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Not sure what stalling is going to do but at least it will give them time to put out another unity statement.
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On 6/9/2023 at 7:53 PM, EastCoastFan said:
Because Oregon and Washington were pushing for a bigger cut than the other eight schools based on their supposed football "brand" power. The debate on this has nothing to do with basketball. The settlement apparently is to allow Pac-10 schools that make the playoffs a funding distribution for their achievement that the other schools don't get. The irony is that it might be Utah or someone else that makes the playoffs that gets the bigger share, not either of the northwest schools.
Settlement = giving Oregon and Washington what they want when they have no leverage and every desire to leave the rest in the dirt the first chance they get.. This is making the same mistake the ACC schools are doing. Schools not named Utah are sacrificing revenue and getting nothing in return for it.
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On 6/9/2023 at 10:47 AM, EastCoastFan said:
My understanding is that there was never a real plan to go to the Big-12. Instead, the threat was put out there, along with Arizona, to push back on the demands from Seattle and Eugene for unequal revenue sharing. It apparently has worked, because the only unequal money distribution will come from any potential playoff income. Still, though, Kliavkoff has to come up with something dollar-wise in the ball park with the Big-12, and it can't be 80% streaming.
Colorado might make some sort of sense for that but why would Arizona of any school in the Pac-12 oppose unequal revenue sharing in basketball?
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On 5/28/2023 at 10:28 AM, EastCoastFan said:
Misdirection by Kevin Warren. They erred in expecting it to be the way it always had been, and weren't warned that the "deal" took some of their previous rights away.
Common sense should have told otherwise. NBC was never signing up for weekly contests between Indiana vs Maryland and Minnesota vs UCLA.
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On 5/27/2023 at 8:59 PM, EastCoastFan said:
Neither MSU nor PSU feel "made whole" nor appeased by the Ford Field Black Friday "solution." MSU loses a home game. PSU plays on the road after a short week. Both teams are faced with an unwanted night game to try to fill the B1G's depleted $ vault. Neither school is happy.
Would love to know what made Ohio St, Michigan and Penn St believe NBC was breaking the bank to sign on for a prime game every week that didn't involve them in the most crucial month of the football season.
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On 5/24/2023 at 9:52 AM, Orange said:
That republicans continue to think they can hoodwink enough Americans into believing the debt ceiling is a "sEriOuS prObLem" suggests they absolutely hate American (or think they are all fucking morons). The dems and GOP raised the DC 3x under Trump. Trump and the GOP added $8T to the nat'l debt and exploded the deficit, while Biden cut the deficit. Do they TRULY think they can continue to shop the "Dems are the party of too much spending" trope as if it's true?
This fucken country, man. Time to ask Canada if they accept middle-aged tax attorneys.
They have been doing it successfully for years and now that Captain Cheeto has a death grip on the GOP its only going to get more brazen. The collection of trash that worships all things Trump would actively cheer him on if he were caught killing babies on the front lawn of Mar a lago.
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On 5/26/2023 at 11:44 AM, row Z said:
One other thought for Kliavkoff: if the B1G deal is truly "unfinished," and compensation amounts for schools and are declining or unknown, maybe get on the horn with UCLA and make a pitch for them to back out of an illusory deal with the B1G, offer a larger share of the Pac12 revenue, add SDSU, and lets rock on with a new Pac12 that has two teams in SoCal.
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P12 leadership is naïve enough to believe this could be a realistic option. Realistically watch how quickly the gloves would come off for the B1G if they thought there was any chance that UCLA was wavering in its decision to leave the P12. They would no longer care about being viewed as a conference killer and invite Oregon/Washington.
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On 11/16/2022 at 8:44 AM, Orange said:
Kari Lake continues to deny she lost.
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On 9/2/2022 at 7:43 AM, Orange said:
That, and the "I declassified them" defense is an easily provable lie.
NOT throwing this asshole in jail will result in a much bigger civil war than jailing him. I will never understand how people didn't see the danger of this fascist POS from day 1.
I'm past the point where I think trying him in court would actually accomplish anything. There are simply too many idiots and cultists out there lurking in the shadows where I would have zero faith that one of them wouldn't end up on the jury or in the judge's chair him/her self.
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On 7/25/2022 at 5:41 PM, Orange said:
Yes. By almost exclusively you, incessantly. A conference addition will be about eyeballs and markets, not "research."
The B1G & the Pac12 have always over valued the research component, we could talk about how it shouldn't be a factor but it clearly is with the powers that be. Whenever you hear someone mentioning "academics" when it comes to conference alignment that is always referring to research whether that is research restrictions (see BYU being blacklisted) or research funding (see why they didn't want anyone else from the Big 12).
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On 7/4/2022 at 7:03 AM, PAC MAN said:
Or many western schools going independent for football and new conferences that make geographical sense for non revenue sports plus basketball. CU, UA, ASU, Utah would go to a conference that includes BYU, Utah State, UNM, AFA, CSU, and Wyoming. The remaining MWC schools hook up with the remaining P12 schools in that manner and maybe go after Gonzaga.
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On 7/3/2022 at 1:39 PM, azgreg said:
I don't think so. Basketball only accounts for 15% of teh media buy.
Take control of the NCAA tournament where the NCAA hoards the majority of the billion dollar a year revenue stream and that 15% jumps to 30-35% on average and for some schools that are basketball-centric a potentially bigger jump.
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On 7/3/2022 at 9:15 AM, Scscsc89 said:
In the long run, I think this week’s move is a step to an eventual FOOTBALL-ONLY super league that will obviously also include (at the very least) Oregon, Washington and ASU.
Non-revenue sports may revert/sick the Pac-12 structure or develop a loose west coast collection of regional athletic conferences (PNW, SoCal, etc.) Since they’re non-revenue, it makes little sense for Arizona to travel to Pullman 🤷🏻♂️
I would disagree with football only as everything they do is in the chase for the dollar. Its only a matter of time before they run out of ways to increase revenue through football and begin making a push to break the NCAA tournament from the grip of the NCAA.
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On 7/2/2022 at 6:48 PM, PAC MAN said:
Been hearing about WVU to the ACC but never believed that would happen until now. That could happen if the B1G poaches some ACC schools.Both AZ schools have been rumored as Big 12 bound for like about eight years ago and those were mentioned in both the AZ Central and Tucson fish wraps because I actually read them.
Nebraska isn’t heading back to the Big 12 without OU & Texas at this point. They would be giving up too much on the academic side if they were to leave the Big Ten. Husker fans might feel differently and seeing CU back in the Big 12 might get them to long for the Big 12. Again they will stay in the B1G but you shouldn’t rule out them returning to the Big 12 next decade.
WVU is to the ACC what BYU is to the Pac12 a school that fits geographically but one the conference has absolutely no interest in associating with.
The Arizona schools had never reached out to the Big 12 about joining them. They would never have voluntarily separated themselves from California
No one is or was leaving the Big Ten and its paydays for the Big 12. Not before OU & Texas left and certainly not after.
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Probably a little sweat it out moment. Though I believe I read somewhere that McMurphy a few days ago said that their contract with Fox/ESPN calls for ESPN to pay full share for 4 schools and Fox only 2 which I guess could make some sense if Fox wanted to be petty about Michael Crow/ASU throwing out that last minute roadblock in their plan.