EastCoastFan

They probably won't be added, but they are ranked higher academically in several ratings than WSU and OSU.

There's a certain nastiness that isn't necessary as people state their thoughts. I'm not sure what will happen to this board based on whether the Pac survives, but there won't be any loss from the absence of posters with the attitude that you express.

This is all about money, not geography. SC and UCLA, by jumping quickly by themselves, have lost their bargaining power to have companions. The bottom line is the bottom line -- do UDub and the Ducks add at least $100 million each to the B1G's media deal? If they don't, the share for everybody from Ohio State to Rutgers will go down, a non-starter. That's why Notre Dame is crucial -- they add a lot more than the projected per-team share, and then you can bring along buddies to even things out. I'd be real worried if I were in Seattle or Eugene, sitting around and waiting for the phone to ring.

Decent chance here that the (1) Arizona schools, Colorado and Utah jump to the Big-12, (2) Notre Dame, after NBC juices up their contract, plays footsie with the B1G and doesn't come, (3) the B1G stops at 16, and the northwest schools are left, well, in the northwest, with an uncomfortable decision to make -- add MWC schools to a revised Pac-12, or follow the mountain schools to the Big-12.

I'm no expert on this, but the argument is that if the golden goose NCAA tourney were taken away from the NCAA and owned by the power conferences, the per-school basketball income would skyrocket.

Maybe the B1G just stops if ND turns them down. is there anybody else out there who really adds value to an already $100 million per-school payout?

If there are any credible moves here, it would be West Virginia to the ACC if somehow schools like Virginia, North Carolina, and Clemson escaped the conference GOR and left, and teams like Pitt/Cuse/BC/VaTech pushed for their inclusion. As for Nebraska, give up $100 million a year payout? C'mon. The only place they'd ever go would be to join the Sooners in the SEC where the money is similar, but it's hard to believe they'd ever be invited unless the TV people saw it as a winner. As for the Arizona schools, they're pobably hoping for a 24-team SEC and a 24-team B1G, in which case they'd hope to be a natural extension of the SEC west from Austin and College Station.

While the two teams with the best record now go to the conference playoff, it hasn't been clear whether there still will be two divisions, or whether all 12 teams will be treated in one pool. Does anyone know?

The question is, with all of the resources, a winnable division and conference, a history of 10-win seasons, and persumably competitive salaries, why would coaches be leaving Eugene? Sure, the local high school talent pool isn't there, so you have to travel to get blue chips. But the path to the playoffs sure is more direct for the Ducks than for many other schools that are in conferences with several heavyweights. My take is that stability is overrated. It's what got Colorado to go with Dorrell, after they got burned, and while it might be stable, it sure doesn't shout "winner!" Wilcox? Oregon should be shooting higher at a number of candidates.

It seems like the $90 to $110 million 10-year head coach contract is now the going rate for blueblood college football programs. Tucker, Riley, and Kelly, and Franklin are all in that rarified territory. Still not the $18 million a year that Belichick pulls in, but not a bad payday. What is less clear in all of the situations is what the assistant coach salary pool is, and what the buyout details are, particularly the buyout owed to the school if the coach decides to leave. Franklin reportedly owes a buyout of $12 million if he leaves PSU the first year, $8 million the second. In an eye-opening contrst, Tucker only would owe Michigan State a buyout of $2.5 million if he were to leave this year, the perfect contract for a set of wandering eyes. Tucker is reported to have an assistant coach salary pool north of $7 million. That compares with a 2021 salary pool of $7.6 million at Ohio State and $5.4 million at Michigan. I haven't seen the assistant salry pools being offered at LSU, USC, and PSU. Where does all of this leave schools like Washington State, Syracuse, West Virginia, and Colorado? The gap is growing wider in the world of mega-power college football.

This has the power to change everything.

Makes sense. Not only can he coach, but he's smart enough to get vaccinated.

This and Tucker cleans things up. Time to refocus on real candidates for a season of change.

Cal and Stanford are the only two P5 schools in the top ten universities in the world. For football and basketball, the minuses can outweigh the plusses. Both schools have standards that make consistent winning difficult, and with the Bay Area Covid issues, another layer is added. Pre-Covid, for a good while Stanford seemed to have figured out how to deal with the the academic threshold by having special admissions, athletic course tracking, and over-the-top tutoring. Stanford also branded themselves as a "If you don't make it to the pros, we can land you a $100,000+ a year job" school. Cal has been less successful at all of that, and is a graveyard for coaches. Wilcox? He could be great at the right location.

Looks like things are happening with Oregon State:

HERMAN EDWARDS, ARIZONA STATE. -- On the ropes with the investigation. Recruits have noticed. CLAY HELTON, USC. -- Gone. CHIP KELLY, UCLA. -- Unhappy donors want him out. JIMMY LAKE, WASHINGTON. -- Sideline behavior gives excuses for what really would be a poor-record termination. KARL DORRELL, COLORADO. -- Too soon, too much buyout, too sad. JONATHAN SMITH, OREGON STATE. -- A rare solid Pac-12 coach. NICK ROLOVICH, WASHINGTON STATE. -- Remains un-vaxed and gone. JEDD FISCH, ARIZONA. -- Way too soon, but way too little. JUSTIN WILCOX, CAL. -- Seat is just warm, would be red hot elsewhere at 13-24 in-conference. DAVID SHAW, STANFORD. -- Fragile lovefest soon to end, especially with a $9 million salary. KYLE WHITTINGHAM, UTAH. -- In no trouble, but good enough to be poached. MARIO CRISTOBAL, OREGON. -- Another no trouble, unless a Florida or LSU or Michigan is poaching.

Nobody said that BYU doesn't have creative play calling.

This makes no sense. They don't increase share value, they reduce it.

Heavy drinkers with nothing else to do in bleak Lubbock. They see all others as looking down on them and give them shit back. Most anger is directed at Austin, but any opponent brings out the worst in them. Open carry in the stadium.

Do you find this accurate?

I didn't know where to put this, so it'll be dropped here ... an article from an amazing publication, The Athletic: Mandel: USC confirms its country club status in the worst way By Stewart Mandel Mar 12, 2019 271 If sports are considered the “front porch” to a university, USC’s has broken glass in the windows, gaping holes where there should be stairs … and a raging fire rapidly incinerating the whole thing. On Tuesday, three Olympic-sport coaches and a senior administrator at USC were part of an explosive national college admissions scandal in which parents paid expensive bribes to get their kids admitted to prestigious universities. Many other coaches and schools were implicated, including crosstown rival UCLA, but none with the same scope of involvement as that of USC. It’s just the latest black eye for an athletic department that’s been attempting to set a world record for them over the past decade or so. And they’ve got to stop. USC means too much to its loyal alumni, the Pac-12 and the city of Los Angeles to be such a chronic source of shame and embarrassment. In the university’s characteristically arrogant fashion, its interim president, Wanda M. Austin, had the temerity to write a letter Tuesday stating “USC is a victim” (underline theirs) in a scheme that happened to involve its second highest-ranking athletics employee and a 16-time national championship coach. The school has quite a bit of experience lately in this crisis management bit; less than 18 months ago, ex-basketball assistant Tony Bland got caught in his own bribery sting, this one the FBI’s running investigation into college hoops pay-for-play schemes. (Bland pleaded guilty earlier this year.) Yet “victim” is the last word anyone in the USC administration should be throwing out these days. For one thing, the school recently reached a $215 million settlement with real-life victims of a 30-year campus gynecologist accused of sexually abusing women he treated. USC has been under an interim president since last August because Austin’s predecessor, Max Nikias, resigned amid that scandal. With no one of permanent authority at the helm, USC’s athletic department has only wandered further into the abyss under comically unqualified AD Lynn Swann. Like his predecessor, Pat Haden, Swann got his job in 2016 due to his stature as a former Trojans football star and … not much else. He’s known primarily as the guy who opted to retain highly unpopular fourth-year coach Clay Helton but make Helton fire virtually everyone around him under the guise of promoting “stability” in the program. Stability like celebrated offensive coordinator hire Kliff Kingsbury holding the job for all of five weeks before bolting to the NFL. The admissions scheme described in Tuesday’s indictment began several years before Swann’s arrival, but the central figure was one of his chief lieutenants. Donna Heinel, senior associate AD in charge of women’s athletics, is accused of taking more than $1.3 million in bribes to falsify credentials for more than two dozen students. By falsely designating the kids as recruited athletes — with doctored pictures of the “athlete” in action, no less — she could bring their applications to an admissions subcommittee that grants special exceptions for athletes. The school fired Heinel on Tuesday afternoon, along with 16-time national champion water polo coach Jovan Vavic, both of whom were charged with racketeering. It kind of makes you miss the good old days when a running backs coach got in trouble because he didn’t turn in Reggie Bush for taking free hotel rooms. That seems so quaint now. How did this happen? How did USC become a poster child for incompetence and corruption in athletics? After all, we’re only a decade removed from the glory years, when Pete Carroll’s Trojans routinely dominated their competition and Hollywood celebrities roamed the sidelines basking in their spotlight. Or at least bigger celebrities than Full House alum and USC mom* Lori Loughlin. (*Lori, herself indicted, allegedly paid $500,000 in bribes to get her two daughters admitted.) I know numerous USC alums with close ties to the football program, and they all use the same phrase to describe the athletic department — a country club. Which seems an even more apropos description today given the extent to which wealth and privilege fueled the fraudulent admissions scheme. But they use it more to describe the chummy, elitist mindset by which only members of the “USC Family” get to be part of the inner circle. It’s how former players with no qualifications get to run the athletic departments, and why the past three underwhelming football coaches, Lane Kiffin, ****** Sarkisian and Helton — all had previous Trojans experience. It’s a sweet arrangement if you’re sitting in one of those plush suites at the newly renovated L.A. Coliseum. Not so much if you’re one of the hundreds of thousands of regular USC fans who just want to see the Trojans A) win and not be a national laughingstock. But it’s been one set of missteps after another since the day Carroll left for Seattle. There was the institutional defiance that helped fuel heavy-handed NCAA sanctions in 2010. Perfectly personifying that “USC Family” mindset, ex-AD and Heisman winner Mike Garrett told a group of boosters at the time that the Committee on Infractions’ report was “a lot of envy, and they wish they all were Trojans.” And then there was Garrett’s successor, Haden, giving the polarizing Kiffin a preseason vote of confidence in 2013 only to fire him on an airport tarmac five games into the season; initially allowing Sarkisian to keep coaching in 2015 even after it was apparent he had a substance abuse problem (he later fired him); and then hurriedly giving interim coach Helton a fully guaranteed contract the week of that year’s Pac-12 championship game that made it prohibitively expensive for Swann to fire Helton even after the entire fan base had turned on him last year. And then, you know … all the bribery and such. The closest thing to victims in this latest scheme were the deserving students out there that got waitlisted or were denied admission because someone’s mom or dad could afford a payoff to get their own kid in instead. Rival fans have long referred mockingly to USC as the “University of Spoiled Children,” and that stereotype has never held truer than it does today. And the fact that it was not some low-level recruiting flunky making $35,000 a year but in fact the senior associate AD riding those spoiled kids’ coattails makes the whole thing that much more galling. At some point, presumably, USC will hire a new president. The search has been underway since last August. One of his or her first orders of business should be this: Blow up the athletic department. Seriously. The front porch to your university is ugly and rotting. The neighbors are all making fun of it. Burn it to the ground and start anew. Give your supporters something they can actually be proud of for a change.

OMG, I wouldn't want to play on that!

Another ranking of world universities, considered by many to be the best measure, is the Academic Rating of World Universities. Here is their most recent ranking of Pac-12 schools (rankings for the USA): 2. Stanford 4. Cal Berkeley 10. UCLA 11. Washington 27. Colorado 33. USC 48. Arizona 49-60 (unspecific). Arizona State 49-60 (unspecific). Utah 69--70 (unspecific). Oregon State 71-99 (unspecific). Oregon 120-135 (unspecific). Washington State Link: http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2017.html

Winning teams with national attention make big bucks with naming rights. For both basketball and football, Colorado's timing isn't very good right now.

The service academies run the triple option (flex offense) for several reasons. It's to level the playing field because (1) they have graduation weight limits, (2) the have post-graduation commitments which limit their chance to recruit blue-chips because jumping to the NFL is out, (3) it allows them to control the clock, keeping games closer than they otherwise would be, and (4) it requires players to be selfless, giving up personal glory, not exactly what P5 players are looking for. By the way, Jalapeno, if I understand the future scheduling, you'll have a chance to experience it yourself, with Colorado set up with future home-and-homes with both Air Force and Georgia Tech.