EastCoastFan

Not sure if accurate, probably just another rumor, but heard from a staff member at a B1G school's athletic department (1) ASU, Arizona, and UConn go to the Big-12. (2) Oregon, Washington, Stanford (the three at at cut rate,) and Notre Dame (at full-rate+) for the B1G. Left out are Cal, Oregon St, Washington St, and Utah.

It's stunning that it isn't widely understood on this board how totally awful the Kliavkoff/Apple deal is. it is all based on risk, harkening the "Eastern Rim" strategy of Larry Scott, when he argued that Oregon St playing Utah would draw mega media crowds in Shenzhen, Jakarta, and Seoul. Those of us (like me) who badly want the pac to survive and thrive now have to concentrate on just "survive." If that's possible. As for the debate here between Utah and Colorado fans, it's a lot of wasted words. CU is s sh!t team that may or may not improve to be decent under Sanders. Utah, on the other hand, is understandably connected to the direction of the west coast and beyond (Samoa), but with what's coming down, that approach is delusional, If the Utah administrationn isn't careful, they'll end up in the Pac-5 with Cal, WSU, ASU, and OSU.

The boat is sinking and you're worried about what Dan said? It's time to worry more about where the lifeboats are.

The Pac-12 is now the Pac-9. Dominoes. Who is next?

Because Oregon and Washington were pushing for a bigger cut than the other eight schools based on their supposed football "brand" power. The debate on this has nothing to do with basketball. The settlement apparently is to allow Pac-10 schools that make the playoffs a funding distribution for their achievement that the other schools don't get. The irony is that it might be Utah or someone else that makes the playoffs that gets the bigger share, not either of the northwest schools.

My understanding is that there was never a real plan to go to the Big-12. Instead, the threat was put out there, along with Arizona, to push back on the demands from Seattle and Eugene for unequal revenue sharing. It apparently has worked, because the only unequal money distribution will come from any potential playoff income. Still, though, Kliavkoff has to come up with something dollar-wise in the ball park with the Big-12, and it can't be 80% streaming.

I'm not into the back and forth on Sanders, but as for Colorado, there is no way to suck it dry. There just wasn't anything where when Sanders was hired. They'll either improve, or they'll just shut it down. There is no way it could be worse than it was.

You must have confidence that he'll stick around. The average length of stay for college football coaches is 3.7 years. Link: https://www.on3.com/news/current-fbs-coaches-have-been-in-their-jobs-for-an-average-of-just-3-7-years/

Misdirection by Kevin Warren. They erred in expecting it to be the way it always had been, and weren't warned that the "deal" took some of their previous rights away.

Neither MSU nor PSU feel "made whole" nor appeased by the Ford Field Black Friday "solution." MSU loses a home game. PSU plays on the road after a short week. Both teams are faced with an unwanted night game to try to fill the B1G's depleted $ vault. Neither school is happy.

Thoughts?

Nine games is the norm for three of the P5, with the B1G and Big-12 also on board with the Pac with it. Even in the ACC, with Notre Dame showing up on five teams' schedules, they're edging toward nine. It's only in the smelly southeast, where they have trouble with odd numbers, as well as which way to roll the toilet roll, that they stick to eight.

Unfortunately, nobody will see it that way. They're not "ours," they belong to the B1G. However, we will take their multi-year conference payout.

If you get yourself in a deep shithole, there's no reason to believe that some B1G gravytrain will turn things around. The Bruins are going to be a total disaster in the Big Ten.

While there are legitimate different points of view on this, it's hard to understand how UCLA's move was a "necessity." Tell that to Oregon State and Wazoo. It just doesn't resonate.

I'm guessing that Kliavkoff comes up with a package that's decent enough (certainly not great) that the Pac stays together. However, if his package falls significantly short, it would not be out of the question for this to happen: Three of the four corners (Arizona, CU, and ASU) jump to the Big-12, along with San Diego State; and the commissionerless B1G sits on their hands, not willing to move, and knowing that they can go shopping whenever they like. That would leave an awkward Pac-7 left, a shell of itself, with real questions on what would happen next. USC and UCLA would be smiling (well, smirking,) three of the four corners would transition to something uncomfortably called "stability," while the Pac-7 might be holding their noses but still thinking about going shopping in Spokane, Vegas, Honolulu, Boise, Fresno, and/or Fort Collins.

Your thoughts make some sense, but there are still questions. For example, if the B1G were to add UDub, Oregon, and then also take Stanford to pair with Notre Dame, where would that leave Cal? Or, if the four corners (or three of them) were to jump and the B1G wasn't marketing for long trips to the Northwest, where would that leave Oregon and Washington? In other words, while the Beavs and Cougs are closest to the ledge, nobody in the Pac is totally safe. The reason why Big-12 expansion is on the table is because that conference's "stability' is a code word for nobody wants to grab any of their members, while the Pac's "instability" goes directly to the desirability of their schools. Here's a sidethought to consider; are Central Florida, Cincinnati, and KSU really all that much better to have in a conference than Oregon State and Washington State? The numbers sure don't seem to say so. From my perspective, when this is all done and the B1G and SEC finally have expanded with whatever add-ons from the ACC and Pac they take, all the rest, the leftovers from the ACC and the Pac, along with the entirety of the Big-12, put together (including the Beavs and Cougs) would make a nice coast-to-coast national conference, a reasonable #3 in the rank of college athletic leagues.

Interesting...BYU fan post? https://twitter.com/hornymcfrog/status/1632801221680455681?s=46&t=TaWQKdJPSF5SJX3jnaee2A

Finally some inside information to share! This video of George Kliavkoff gives some serious behind-the-scenes insight into what's been happening in the Pac-12's front offices:

Ion and Aztec sorta go together. They're dating.

Two insiders in two ADs who are unhappy with George's proposed deal. We're close to an edge unless something better comes out of South of Market.

Things are moving. This board might be renamed the Pac-6...

Apple's user base is dying, Amazon's is growing. This choice, if it happens and is the bulk of the media product, will be the end of the conference. Quickly. Why? Nobody in Boston or Orlando or Chicago will pay additional for getting on a streaming service just for the Pac-10, but in those areas millions of people alreay are on Amazon, and just have to tune in. The bulk of the nation will be lost imediately with Apple.

The games with the B1G schools aren't until 2029 to 2035. Maybe they've been left there on the schedule with the thought among B1G schools that they might want to reconsider, and after reeling in UCLA, now that they look at them, decide to throw them back into the lake.