HLB Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 On 11/5/2019 at 10:47 AM, Orange said: That'd be awesome. The 8, 12 or 16 team playoff begins this week …. The month of November is the beginning of the playoffs (imo). It's elimination month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HLB Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 On 11/6/2019 at 3:12 PM, Chad Sexington said: Every P5 conference has a CCG which should be an elimination game. Having multiple teams from one conference is horseshit. That, and the fact that there are only four slots for five champions, is the reason this tournament is a farce. Maybe eight is too many, but there’s certainly time enough in the post season to accommodate six. That would cover all the bases. Although my opinion is that eight would work just fine. There are four slots for the four best teams. That may mean two or three CCs are left out, not just one, in a given year. If a team finishes 10-3, and as their conference champion, that doesn't automatically qualify that team as one of the four best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HLB Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 On 11/6/2019 at 3:17 PM, dtd said: All you're doing is kicking the can. Until there is scheduling reform we'll just keep having the same arguments. Define "scheduling reform". What would your consider to be "scheduling reform"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HLB Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 On 11/6/2019 at 3:23 PM, Chad Sexington said: I certainly agree with that, but which is more likely, Expansion to eight or total conference realignment? Twelve team conferences would allow for a true round robin and one exhibition annually. However, we have three 14 team leagues. My fear is that the next realignment will be to reduce the number of teams to four, ten team conferences, and keep a four team playoff. My team would be outside looking in. The NCAA doesn't mandate or control the number of teams that a conference may choose to have. There is not such thing as "conference realignment". Conferences control themselves, are not under the control of a higher authority, and not required to emulate the choices of other conferences. The last thing conferences are going to do, is reduce the number of members (teams), because that would be a reduction in revenue. More teams means more revenue for conferences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HLB Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 On 11/6/2019 at 4:23 PM, Mano said: Scheduling won't matter, win your conference and you are in And that's why you don't want to automatically advance conference champions. OOC games would become irrelevant, and without purpose. Teams would use OOC games as a preseason, where winning or losing means nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HLB Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 On 11/7/2019 at 7:50 AM, Mano said: Making the OOC games only a preperation for the conference season is a good thing, teams can't game the system, and playing a challenging game isn't going to hurt your playoff chances. OOC games would fade away. Teams would schedule three or four FCS opponents (as practice games) and games such as Oregon v. Auburn, Oklahoma v. Ohio State, etc. would cease to take place (because they have no meaning, and would be pointless). There wouldn't be any "challenging games". That being said, challenging games are there to reward the victor, while the loser's playoff chances should be hurt. What you're wanting is a mulligan when a team like Oregon loses to a team like Auburn. That's what makes the current format special - there is little to no margin for error, and the best teams rise to the top. How are teams "gaming the system"? Please explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HLB Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 16 hours ago, Orange said: You think Alabama plays the Citadel, Jacksonville St. and Gulf Coast Online TV/VCR repair OOC because they're all about "every game counting"? It would allow teams to schedule tougher opponents, because a single loss doesn't destroy their entire season in August. Explain to me "why" Alabama would schedule an OOC schedule of Oklahoma, Ohio State, Clemson and Oregon, if the OOC games have no meaning? What is there to gain? Nothing. In truth, the scheduling of teams like the Citadel would increase ... not just for Alabama, but for "every" P5 school. There whole month of September would be nothing but P5 schools playing FCS and G5 opponents. If you're a coach, and you know that your team only has to win the conference to make the playoffs, why would you want to schedule any P5 OOC opponents? You wouldn't. You would schedule FCS and G5 opponents, all day long. And for the record, BAMA isn't the only team to play 1 FCS opponent every year. As a conference, 25% of the SEC's OOC opponents are FCS teams. As a conference, 25% of the PAC12's OOC opponents are FCS teams. In some seasons, that percentage is higher for the PAC12. In addition, the PAC12 typically has two or more teams that don't play a P5 OOC opponent. Rarely does the SEC have a team that doesn't play a P5 OOC opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HLB Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 14 hours ago, Mano said: Unless you normalize the schedules, teams are just gaming the system, and we have very few compelling OOC games. Most teams have at most 1. Looking at the top 10, here are these compelling matchups: tOSU - FAU, Cincinnati, Miami OH all at home LSU - Texas. Ga. Southern, NWST, Utah State Penn St. - Idaho, Buffalo, Pitt Clemson - aTm, Charlotte, Wofford, South Carolina UGA - Murray State, Arkansas State, ND, Ga. Tech Oregon - Auburn, Nevada, Montana Utah - BYU, NIU, Idaho St. Ok - Houston, South Dakota, UCLA UF - Miami, Tennessee Martin, Towson, FSU These are the "meaningful" OOC games you are fighting for. There are a handful of decent games, vast majority are trash. Yes, I think that if the OOC didn't count against you we could do better. Better OOC games and conferences could also opt to play more conference games ( hell, I wouldn't mind a true round robin in the Pac ) without compromising their playoff chances ( and money from the playoffs ). Networks will pony up for better games, and the conferences and schools would be more willing to schedule them if they knew it would not effect their playoff chances. You're living in fantasy land .... UF v. Miami, FSU UGA v. ND, GaTech Oregon v. Auburn OK v. UCLA Clemson v. aTm and S. Carolina LSU v. Texas PSU v. Pitt NONE of these games would take place if things were as you suggest. Instead, they would all schedule 2-3 FCS opponents and one G5 opponent. And that would be worse than what is currently in place. And again, please define/describe what you mean by teams "gaming the system". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 9 hours ago, HLB said: The 8, 12 or 16 team playoff begins this week …. The month of November is the beginning of the playoffs (imo). It's elimination month. Bullshit. None of the competitors for the CFP are playing each other. Do you know what the fuck a “playoff“ is, dumbass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueDuck Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Orange said: Bullshit. None of the competitors for the CFP are playing each other. Do you know what the fuck a “playoff“ is, dumbass? His conference is busy scheduling the muddogs, for a late season tune up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HLB Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 12 hours ago, Orange said: Bullshit. None of the competitors for the CFP are playing each other. Do you know what the fuck a “playoff“ is, dumbass? None of the competitors for the CFP are playing each other? Really? In the last five weeks of the season …. Minnesota v. PSU; BAMA v. LSU; Oklahoma v. Baylor; Ohio State v. PSU; PAC12 Championship game; Big12 Championship game; SEC Championship game; ACC Championship game; B1G Championship game. These are playoff elimination games. The month of November, and the first week of December, is when teams fall out of the playoff picture, until we land on the best four teams. It's an elimination period - which is what playoffs do. The advocation for 8, 12 or 16 teams is an advocation for teams that fail in the final 5 weeks of the season to get a "do over", a mulligan, or a second chance. That's why the current format is special - there are no second chances. Either win when it counts, or your team isn't one of the four best teams left standing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HLB Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 10 hours ago, RogueDuck said: His conference is busy scheduling the muddogs, for a late season tune up. That same old tired argument. 1. Not all SEC teams schedule late November cupcakes. It's usually about 4-6 teams. 2. Those SEC teams have scheduled these late November cupcakes, dating back to the 1950's. It was scheduled prior to the big rivalry game, where starters could have a week off to heal up, with reserves getting an opportunity to play. This isn't something that started when the BCS or CFP began. 3. The SEC begins conference play earlier than most other conferences, who are playing muddogs in the month of September. As a result, when these games are played, the majority of SEC teams have already completed conference play and the determination of which SEC teams will be playing for the conference championship is usually already determined. 4. The SEC model calls for teams to begin the season with a difficult OOC opponent, or a conference game, in week one - while most teams are playing cupcakes as a tune up. If you don't think means much, ask Oregon. Their week one loss to Auburn has put their playoff hopes in high jeopardy ever since. Imagine where Oregon would be ranked today, if they had played a cupcake in week one, and Auburn in week 11 …. Early season tough games and conference games are detrimental, contrary to what people think. A team's season can be over before the month of September ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mano Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Ok, so PSU and Bama eliminated,we will not hear about either of them again from nostrodumbass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 On 11/9/2019 at 10:10 PM, HLB said: None of the competitors for the CFP are playing each other? Really? In the last five weeks of the season …. Minnesota v. PSU; BAMA v. LSU; Oklahoma v. Baylor; Ohio State v. PSU; PAC12 Championship game; Big12 Championship game; SEC Championship game; ACC Championship game; B1G Championship game. These are playoff elimination games. The month of November, and the first week of December, is when teams fall out of the playoff picture, until we land on the best four teams. It's an elimination period - which is what playoffs do. The advocation for 8, 12 or 16 teams is an advocation for teams that fail in the final 5 weeks of the season to get a "do over", a mulligan, or a second chance. That's why the current format is special - there are no second chances. Either win when it counts, or your team isn't one of the four best teams left standing. No they're not. If UGA beats LSU in the CCG, the playoff lackeys will still likely put the Tigers in the playoffs, along with UGA, most likely. A playoff involves seeding, with top seeds playing bottom seeds, not the SEC getting an artificial bump because every team gets 4 bye weeks. Also, "advocation" isn't a word, Hemingway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 On 11/9/2019 at 10:23 PM, HLB said: That same old tired argument. 1. Not all SEC teams schedule late November cupcakes. It's usually about 4-6 teams. 2. Those SEC teams have scheduled these late November cupcakes, dating back to the 1950's. It was scheduled prior to the big rivalry game, where starters could have a week off to heal up, with reserves getting an opportunity to play. This isn't something that started when the BCS or CFP began. 3. The SEC begins conference play earlier than most other conferences, who are playing muddogs in the month of September. As a result, when these games are played, the majority of SEC teams have already completed conference play and the determination of which SEC teams will be playing for the conference championship is usually already determined. 4. The SEC model calls for teams to begin the season with a difficult OOC opponent, or a conference game, in week one - while most teams are playing cupcakes as a tune up. If you don't think means much, ask Oregon. Their week one loss to Auburn has put their playoff hopes in high jeopardy ever since. Imagine where Oregon would be ranked today, if they had played a cupcake in week one, and Auburn in week 11 …. Early season tough games and conference games are detrimental, contrary to what people think. A team's season can be over before the month of September ends. Oh, so the 2019 schedule for Bama was drawn up in the 1950s? And yes, we know they purposely schedule cupcakes to "tune up" for the end of the season. That's been our entire point all along. You're starting to get why our fans support a true playoff, not a bullshit, arbitrary scheduling trick that helps SEC programs. (Again, y'all only play 8 conference games. We play 9. So please stop trying to impress us with your week 1 heroics.) Gawd, you're stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 On 11/9/2019 at 10:26 PM, Mano said: Ok, so PSU and Bama eliminated,we will not hear about either of them again from nostrodumbass. Exactly. Again, if UGA beats LSU in the CCG, watch Alabama be back in the conversation despite beating exactly zero teams of consequence all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clpp01 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Orange said: Exactly. Again, if UGA beats LSU in the CCG, watch Alabama be back in the conversation despite beating exactly zero teams of consequence all year. Bama's path to the playoffs seems to simply be for them and LSU to run the table and then point to the massive ratings from this game. Georgia winning out and knocking off LSU in the ccg creates a roadblock that Bama wouldn't be able to hurdle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KUGRDON Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 So, Auburn has to beat Alabama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mano Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Like that they did not move Baylor or Minnesota ahead of Pac teams. Seem Pac still has a shot, if Alabama blows Auburns doors off, may be bad, but if that game is close and either Pac team finishes convincingly, I think they have a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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