utenation Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Interesting claim of "handcuffed".. LOL.. More like rolled up in the short bus trying to play football.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Utah will be able to be competitive every once in a while because their state consistently produces top D-line talent, a premium in the PAC 12. Utah has opened up some nice doors in Florida and Louisiana the past few years as well as Texas, Utah and Cali as staples. I don't think Utah will ever be tops in the conference in recruiting but we will be more consistent in the coming years.. Beating USC, UCLA, Stanford and Fresno St. all in the same year should give us a boost in Cali but the truth is, USC and UCLA pretty much get what they want before most other teams... Utah has always been solid up front on both sides of the ball, we've gotten much more speed on the outside the last 3 years.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueDuck Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 The big 8 was great in 1990. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:1990_Big_8_football_standings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 CU will have the advantage, when SDsu and Fresno join the pac 12. CU would still be 12, but they wouldn't be last. Speaking of Fresno St and the like.. Probably the most embarrassing thing about CU since they've joined the P12 is they've gone .454 % in OOC with losses to "powerhouse" teams like Hawaii, Cal State Sacramento, CSU and Fresno State.. Most of thier wins have been over FCS teams. Here we have all this talk of future domination of the P12 (one of the best conferences in football) and this team can't even carry it's weight against horrible G5 and FCS teams.. Our SOS has been solid as a conference with no help from CU. But again, the enitre conference should be on notice for the ass kickings that are coming from this team.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Yes, but Colorado brings the #18 TV market in the nation. That puts millions of dollars into the pockets of every Pac-12 school. They are with us to stay, and I'm glad we have them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAC MAN Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 http://www.cubuffs.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?id=4119401&db_oem_id=600 Construction Update. Locker room is coming along nicely. Team should be able to move into their new digs before the season kicks off. MacIntyre will be getting a very nice office with a view of the stadium and the Flatirons. http://www.cubuffs.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?id=4119401&db_oem_id=600 Updated Virtual Tour...finally a team store for the Buffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
win2bfree Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 As a member of the Pac-12 South Division, Colorado has the benefit of visiting talent rich Southern California every year. That is a huge advantage over schools in the Pac-12 North. The North/South doesn't seem to be much of an advantage/disadvantage in recruiting. According to Rivals, since 2011, only 3 times (out of 20 chances) has a non-LA South team finished ahead of either UO & UW. ASU finished ahead of both 2014, UA finished ahead of UW in 2014, and ASU finished ahead of UW in 2015. UO & UW are ahead of both for 2016 as of today. WSU and OSU were never strong in recruiting, even when they had annual trips to LA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
win2bfree Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 The North/South doesn't seem to be much of an advantage/disadvantage in recruiting. According to Rivals, since 2011, only 3 times (out of 20 chances) has a non-LA South team finished ahead of either UO & UW. ASU finished ahead of both 2014, UA finished ahead of UW in 2014, and ASU finished ahead of UW in 2015. UO & UW are ahead of both for 2016 as of today. WSU and OSU were never strong in recruiting, even when they had annual trips to LA. Same thing on Scout, 3 out of 20 times, except ASU did better than both in 2014 and 2015 and UA did better than UW in 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAC MAN Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 I really do not think that your Big8/12 yesteryear comparison to the PAC 12 now is in any way relevant, the game is different and the times have changed. Like your Big 8/12 views, your thoughts on USC are behind the times. You do realize that for the past three years USC has been a middle of the road PAC 12 South team, I would argue that UCLA is the most talented team in the South and there is certainly not a huge gap between the LA schools. USC will have their years and will get theirs, but they will not dominate the South and the conference like they did during the Carrol years. Colorado will not out recruit the LA schools for California talent, do you really think a cold weather program like Colorado will have an advantage over the AZ schools in recruiting CA? Utah will be able to be competitive every once in a while because their state consistently produces top D-line talent, a premium in the PAC 12. Colorado distance from Texas does not give them an advantage over the rest of the South in recruiting TX. A Texas recruit willing to go out of state will have to take a plane where ever they play, the question is would a Texas recruit rather land in a warm weather destination like the AZ and CA schools or a cold weather destination like Colorado? I think Colorado has a lot to offer but I do not see where they have an advantage (recruiting, academics, donors, facilities, weather) over the rest of the South. I think they will challenge for the South every once in a while but will not be a consistant threat in the division. You are right to a degree about the Big 12/Pac-12 comparison. I have said at times on this board that CU basically shot themselves in the foot by not getting with the times during the later part of Barnett's tenure and the Hawkins tenure. That is how teams like Iowa State, Kansas, and Missouri caught up to the Buffs and then passed them. But again, you have to be built a specific way in other conferences. Nebraska was able to get off to a decent start in the Big Ten because they were more of a lightweight team and could out run the slower Big Ten defenses. But when Nebraska was forced to play the typical Big Ten football, they got whipped. Maryland was able to use their speed last season to a bowl game in their first season in the Big Ten but they are probably going to be tested hard this upcoming season. It's not the same as playing in bowl games and that is something Utah fans should be telling you about. If UCLA was to join the Big Ten, they will have to change the type of players they recruit plus more of a manager at QB and a strong running back instead of a future NFL QB and a more faster running back. You talk about the distance not giving CU an advantage...you still forget that those Texas kids would have longer plane rides to the west coast than to the Mountain schools. CU will have advantages over the other South schools in that regard and ESPN did an article on that back in February 2010 where CU will have the advantage when it comes to recruiting Texas. It's something that is going to happen thanks to the new facilities that will come online this year. It's going to be a game changer. When the Dal Ward Center was still new, future NFL players were coming to Boulder in droves. Facilities do matter and so does location. CU will actually have more competition in Texas due to Texas A&M being in the SEC. It's already having an effect on the Texas teams in the Big 12. If you want a good job in the defense industry, and they pay well, CU also receives the most money from NASA and has one of the top aerospace engineering schools in the country. Those very same people are the ones that could be designing missles and bombs for our military. Texans also don't mind getting away from Texas for at least a few years as well. Try taking a trip to central Texas in late July to August and tell me how much you enjoyed the heat and humidity. CU is able to go to California and Texas and tell the kids that if they want to prep for the NFL, CU is a good place to start since Boulder weather will not be much different from NFL Playoff weather. That is something that the SoCal and AZ schools cannot provide. Utah does produce some good DL players but Utah isn't the only place in the country to do so. But do not forget that some of those kids take Mormon missions and they start as 20 year old freshmen instead of 18 year old freshmen. That means they graduate as 24 to 25 year olds compared to 21 to 23 years old. Big difference there. CU has one such player on a mission and he will come to Boulder next year if he still wants to be a Buffalo. Texas is another state that can produce future NFL DL players and CU is also making some inroads into that state as well. CU has a great recruiter from Texas in Jeffcoat (that former ASU and Dallas Cowboy DE) and he will eventually land some solid Texas DL talent. Colorado has provided some good OL and TE prospects over the years. When CU has a good OL and good TE, that is usually when the Buffs are good. It has been awhile since the Buffs had a good TE. Every once in awhile, there will be some good skill position kid. But CU hasn't recruited that many CO kids over the last 20-25 years so it's pretty normal by now. And you say USC is a middle of the road South team...it sure sucks not having a full allotment of scholarships to offer. Last time I heard, USC is getting back to full strength...can't be good news for UCLA. If you were to compare both LA schools to the big Texas schools, USC would easily be the University of Texas while UCLA is Texas A&M and the Aggies have a history of not performing as well as they should be. UCLA isn't that much different from Texas A&M. And when CU was decent, the Buffs always beat Texas A&M. That should be a telling sign of how a decent CU team will handle UCLA and last season's game in Boulder would be a good clue of what is to come. When CU was decent in the early 2000's, CU swept the home and home with UCLA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAC MAN Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 The North/South doesn't seem to be much of an advantage/disadvantage in recruiting. According to Rivals, since 2011, only 3 times (out of 20 chances) has a non-LA South team finished ahead of either UO & UW. ASU finished ahead of both 2014, UA finished ahead of UW in 2014, and ASU finished ahead of UW in 2015. UO & UW are ahead of both for 2016 as of today. WSU and OSU were never strong in recruiting, even when they had annual trips to LA. It's still early when it comes to the impact of the South schools having the LA schools but the South looks like the stronger division this year and perhaps for the foreseeable future. The Big 12 North was stronger than the Big 12 South at first until 2000 (fifth season) and 2015 is the fifth season of the Pac-12 so the balance of power in the Pac-12 is probably going to shift from the North to the South this year. I was hoping that what happened in the Big 12 wouldn't repeat itself in the Pac-12 but it's happening. At least the Pac-12 has its equal revenue sharing plan that the Big 12 never had. It's not much of a surprise that UO and UW has kept up so far while OSU & WSU are going to really fall behind. Facilities do matter in that case. That is why CU fell behind in the Big 12 and is at where it is today as a program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Yes, but Colorado brings the #18 TV market in the nation. That puts millions of dollars into the pockets of every Pac-12 school. They are with us to stay, and I'm glad we have them. While 18th is impressive, TV contract $$$ amounts are weighted more heavily on penetration numbers of markets. I think CU and the Denver Market did add value but Denver is a Pro Sports town, always has been.. I've never seen any publication showing Denver as a top college sports market. The PAC had 3 markets in the T25 for penetration % in 2014 for college football and CU/Denver wasn't one of them. Phoenix, SLC and Portland made the cut. Vegas as well if you want to count them as a P12 market. http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releases/2014/12/espns-record-setting-college-football-coverage-garners-millions-of-viewers/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glduck Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 i take the south's rise more as a byproduct of their coaching haul of late. sparky likes to hit that LA factor hard each time we talk about divisional strength, but really, ucla/ua/asu all hit slam dunks and reaped immediate rewards with their hires. the north has retained it's top-heavy status since the inception of the pac-12, we'll see what more recent hires like peterson and anderson can do to shore up the underbelly. dykes' arrival at cal may be going for a slow burn journey to success, but he seems to at least be going in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.E. Bruin Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 You are right to a degree about the Big 12/Pac-12 comparison. I have said at times on this board that CU basically shot themselves in the foot by not getting with the times during the later part of Barnett's tenure and the Hawkins tenure. That is how teams like Iowa State, Kansas, and Missouri caught up to the Buffs and then passed them. But again, you have to be built a specific way in other conferences. Nebraska was able to get off to a decent start in the Big Ten because they were more of a lightweight team and could out run the slower Big Ten defenses. But when Nebraska was forced to play the typical Big Ten football, they got whipped. Maryland was able to use their speed last season to a bowl game in their first season in the Big Ten but they are probably going to be tested hard this upcoming season. It's not the same as playing in bowl games and that is something Utah fans should be telling you about. If UCLA was to join the Big Ten, they will have to change the type of players they recruit plus more of a manager at QB and a strong running back instead of a future NFL QB and a more faster running back. You talk about the distance not giving CU an advantage...you still forget that those Texas kids would have longer plane rides to the west coast than to the Mountain schools. CU will have advantages over the other South schools in that regard and ESPN did an article on that back in February 2010 where CU will have the advantage when it comes to recruiting Texas. It's something that is going to happen thanks to the new facilities that will come online this year. It's going to be a game changer. When the Dal Ward Center was still new, future NFL players were coming to Boulder in droves. Facilities do matter and so does location. CU will actually have more competition in Texas due to Texas A&M being in the SEC. It's already having an effect on the Texas teams in the Big 12. If you want a good job in the defense industry, and they pay well, CU also receives the most money from NASA and has one of the top aerospace engineering schools in the country. Those very same people are the ones that could be designing missles and bombs for our military. Texans also don't mind getting away from Texas for at least a few years as well. Try taking a trip to central Texas in late July to August and tell me how much you enjoyed the heat and humidity. CU is able to go to California and Texas and tell the kids that if they want to prep for the NFL, CU is a good place to start since Boulder weather will not be much different from NFL Playoff weather. That is something that the SoCal and AZ schools cannot provide. Utah does produce some good DL players but Utah isn't the only place in the country to do so. But do not forget that some of those kids take Mormon missions and they start as 20 year old freshmen instead of 18 year old freshmen. That means they graduate as 24 to 25 year olds compared to 21 to 23 years old. Big difference there. CU has one such player on a mission and he will come to Boulder next year if he still wants to be a Buffalo. Texas is another state that can produce future NFL DL players and CU is also making some inroads into that state as well. CU has a great recruiter from Texas in Jeffcoat (that former ASU and Dallas Cowboy DE) and he will eventually land some solid Texas DL talent. Colorado has provided some good OL and TE prospects over the years. When CU has a good OL and good TE, that is usually when the Buffs are good. It has been awhile since the Buffs had a good TE. Every once in awhile, there will be some good skill position kid. But CU hasn't recruited that many CO kids over the last 20-25 years so it's pretty normal by now. And you say USC is a middle of the road South team...it sure sucks not having a full allotment of scholarships to offer. Last time I heard, USC is getting back to full strength...can't be good news for UCLA. If you were to compare both LA schools to the big Texas schools, USC would easily be the University of Texas while UCLA is Texas A&M and the Aggies have a history of not performing as well as they should be. UCLA isn't that much different from Texas A&M. And when CU was decent, the Buffs always beat Texas A&M. That should be a telling sign of how a decent CU team will handle UCLA and last season's game in Boulder would be a good clue of what is to come. When CU was decent in the early 2000's, CU swept the home and home with UCLA. I still do not think shorter plane rides is an advantage in recruiting and while I do not doubt that Colorado will pull quality talent from Texas but UCLA, USC, Oregon and probably Stanford will pull better talent out of TX. Facilities and location do matter but I do not think Colorado is going to have a substantial facility advantage over the rest of the division and they definetly do not have a location advantage. Colorado has to depend heavily on OOS recruiting, only a few programs can do this and be competitive on a consistant basis. Utah being able to produce in state D-line talent is a huge advantage, it is much easier getting OOS skilled or speed players then it is getting quality D-line talent. Scholarship restrictions were not the reason USC was a middling South division team the last few years, in fact it really was not a factor on the field until last year and even that was not their biggest problem. Three years ago USC was a preseason #1 and were expected to easily win the PAC 12 and play for a national title, they finished with 5 losses and 3rd or 4th in the South. USC problems are with coaching, player development and player evaluation, like I said USC will get theirs because they get talent, but UCLA is one of the few teams that can match USC's recruiting and talent. Your Big 8/12 comparisons are not relevant, the PAC 12 is a much different, better and more competitive conference. Colorado beating a Karl Dorrell coached UCLA team means nothing, UCLA is a different program now, UCLA beat Alabama twice in the 2000's but that does not mean anything either because it was before Saban. Playing UCLA close in one game is not a telling sign it is one game, Colorado four year record against the South is a telling sign, How many wins does Colorado have within the division? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAC MAN Posted June 9, 2015 Author Share Posted June 9, 2015 http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/mls/article21612270.html Outside of the P12 stuff but the Hurricanes could be sharing a MLS stadium with the Miami MLS team owned by David Beckham. The Canes just haven't been the same since the Orange Bowl was demolished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scscsc89 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 https://twitter.com/USC_Athletics/status/608726224953745408/photo/1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 An exclusive look inside USC's recruiting lounge in the Coliseum Why isn't Reggie Bush listed among the Heisman winners? Is Pat Haden still trying to appease those NCAA scum? What a farce! Give USC back its trophy already! Sheesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBug708 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 He was ineligible. It's not the NCAA who gives the trophy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scscsc89 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 No -- but it is the NCAA that forbids USC to list his name, number or likeness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 He was ineligible. It's not the NCAA who gives the trophy The NCAA is the enemy! When are Pac-12 people going to get it!?! There is no question anymore that the NCAA is a corrupt and evil organization. They were unfair to USC, and they have always been unfair and oppressive to football and basketball players. We should all be supporting USC and calling for the death of the NCAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.E. Bruin Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 The NCAA is the enemy! When are Pac-12 people going to get it!?! There is no question anymore that the NCAA is a corrupt and evil organization. They were unfair to USC, and they have always been unfair and oppressive to football and basketball players. We should all be supporting USC and calling for the death of the NCAA. Why is it an either/ or situation, is it possible that USC did wrong and the NCAA is corrupt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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