glduck Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 40 minutes ago, trickydlck said: Isn't the damage pretty much done at this point? No doubt he may not leave but seems very heavy flirtation that may impair some relationships going forward. Almost seems like he has to sign with FSU now. in the world of duck message boards, absolutely. taggart has blown up an orphanage full of children and absconded with the queen's jewels. he's basically hitler. to the team and the administration, it all depends on how open he's been. from what i've gathered, he's been very upfront about his admiration for florida state and that he was going to entertain an offer. we haven't gotten a *ton* of quotes from current players since sunday night (team banquet) but most of what i came across were attitudes much more mature than your average oregon message board fan ("i love coach, but it's a business" etc). imo, it's the not-knowing that's sucked -- fans are only privy to so much, so we've been dealing with this since thursday/friday. it's entirely possible taggart told the AD last week he won't even meet with florida state until monday (yesterday) and don't expect anything until tuesday (today) and everyone who matters is good with that timeline. but i don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Hail Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 50 minutes ago, trickydlck said: Isn't the damage pretty much done at this point? No doubt he may not leave but seems very heavy flirtation that may impair some relationships going forward. Almost seems like he has to sign with FSU now. I agree that it doesn't look good but if he somehow ends up sticking with Oregon, he can say that he had what might be a once in a lifetime opportunity to coach his dream job and he couldn't in good consciousness not pursue the opportunity. However, now that he is back with Oregon, there is no other job that would cause him to look around ever again. That being said, if this truly is his dream job, how can you walk away from that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAC MAN Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Based on what I have read, if I was Taggart, I'd go to FSU. Taggart with Leavitt would be quite a recruiting force in that part of the country. I'm sure that Pepsi-fueled Leavitt is telling Taggart LETS GO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glduck Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 it sounds like florida state is trying to be as cheap as possible, taking into account what we know about the situation i would be surprised if leavitt left. he has a fairly substantial buyout for any school not kansas state. he has no reason to be loyal to taggart, they've worked together for a year and it was the UO that ponied up the money to pry him away from colorado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastFan Posted December 5, 2017 Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 My observation is that Taggart is handling this professionally, above board I'm not sure I get why FSU is a dream job, though. I've been to the Florida Panhandle often, and many times to Eugene, and the comparison is stark. Tallahassee isn't Miami or Daytona, it's sandy redneckland, with a university that will always be third in the minds and hearts of Floridians. I get the "recruiting hotbed" rep of the Sunshine State, but it's not as though Taggart was failing at attracting blue chips to Oregon (on Rivals right now, the Duck class is ranked 6th, FSU's is 40th). Everybody knew this all was coming down before Chip signed with UCLA. I'm curious why Oregon wouldn't have been more proactive with their options, unless they really don't want Kelly back ... or, have somebody else who's a rock star hidden carefully under a rock just waiting for the opening. I guess, thinking about this, I'm not going to be surprised if Taggart leaves and the Ducks don't bite for anybody currently on their staff or the Sumlin-types. Instead, just maybe, they'll do exactly what A&M did to FSU, and then FSU did to Oregon -- dangle $40 or $60 or $80 million in front of a Dantonio or Patterson or Franklin or Gundy or Fitzgerald and land a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glduck Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 i agree that tallahassee is redneck central, but the whole taggart family are diehard florida state fans. just how they were raised. i'm not sure if we really knew this was all happening prior to ucla/chip. jimbo to a&m is a step down, and while there were rumors, i think that $75 million contract took everybody by surprise. once it happened, people got nervous. chip and ucla came together long before jimbo quit fsu. besides, i don't know if chip would come back here. we had a handshake agreement last year, and he renegaded. i think he wants a new challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAC MAN Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 I have passed through Tally and I will agree it's nothing special but the FSU job has got to be attractive since Jimbo handled the pressure of succeeding a legend. IMO, only difference between UO and FSU is the pressure to win, culture, and recruiting. If any coach that has the energy to recruit would probably pick UO over FSU but for any coach who doesn't really recruit, FSU is the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row Z Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Downthefield said: I guess, thinking about this, I'm not going to be surprised if Taggart leaves and the Ducks don't bite for anybody currently on their staff or the Sumlin-types. Instead, just maybe, they'll do exactly what A&M did to FSU, and then FSU did to Oregon -- dangle $40 or $60 or $80 million in front of a Dantonio or Patterson or Franklin or Gundy or Fitzgerald and land a winner. Interesting possibility. The ducks certainly have the roster and schedule next year to attract an established coach with the possibility of winning right away. Any one of the coaches you list would obviously be a huge upgrade over Taggart. Is Oregon that committed to winning? Would be an SEC type move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scscsc89 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 31 minutes ago, Jalapeno said: IMO, only difference between UO and FSU is the pressure to win, culture, and recruiting. I’d add competition within the division & conference to win a conference title. NB: is there a softer division in P5 than the “ACC Coastal”? https://www.foxsports.com/college-football/standings?group=9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Hail Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 20 minutes ago, Scscsc89 said: I’d add competition within the division & conference to win a conference title. NB: is there a softer division in P5 than the “ACC Coastal”? https://www.foxsports.com/college-football/standings?group=9 The Pac 12 South The Big Ten West The SEC East I think the ACC Coastal is plenty good. Their 4th place team beat Clemson and Miami. Their 5th place team handed Boise State it's largest loss at home in forever. Their 6th place team beat 20th ranked Northwestern 41-17. Try to find another division in the P5 whose middle and botton tier teams have such a resume? The ACC in general is just tough. Their OOC record and their 2016/17 bowl game record speaks for itself. They have been the best conference from top-to-bottom over the past 2 years and I don't think it's close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scscsc89 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Beating Boise State or Northwestern is not going to impress anyone & besides I was specifically NOT talking about OOC since it was in context of winning your division/conference. But you do raise a interesting point I didn’t realize, all the P5 conferences have been one-division-dominant in the past 5-7 years. Perhaps Dan Wetzel is right & we should just get rid of the championship games. (sorry for hijacking the thread, I’m done) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAC MAN Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Scott Frost should do well at Nebraska in the Big Ten West. @All Hail, ACC is competitive just like the P12 but winning a championship in either conference is easier than the Big 12, B1G, or SEC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummy Dick Douglas Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Scscsc89 said: Beating Boise State or Northwestern is not going to impress anyone & besides I was specifically NOT talking about OOC since it was in context of winning your division/conference. But you do raise a interesting point I didn’t realize, all the P5 conferences have been one-division-dominant in the past 5-7 years. Perhaps Dan Wetzel is right & we should just get rid of the championship games. (sorry for hijacking the thread, I’m done) Wait. So you do acknowledge that OOC has no bearing on winning the division/conference? Good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Hail Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 29 minutes ago, Scscsc89 said: Beating Boise State or Northwestern is not going to impress anyone & besides I was specifically NOT talking about OOC since it was in context of winning your division/conference. But you do raise a interesting point I didn’t realize, all the P5 conferences have been one-division-dominant in the past 5-7 years. Perhaps Dan Wetzel is right & we should just get rid of the championship games. (sorry for hijacking the thread, I’m done) It should. When the purpose is to discuss the strength of a conference division, a 6th place team's (out of 7) dominant victory over a ranked Big Ten team is very impressive. A dominant road win over a tough opponent by a 5th place team is very impressive and relevant. How can you compare the strength of a given conference without taking a look at the OOC? The OOC outcomes show that beating a team like Pittsburg, Virginia or even Duke is no small accomplishment. It's not easy and lots of capable teams fail to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Hail Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 This isn't the end all be all but it's something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glduck Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 that 10 part twitter thread by fentress was actually pretty good. several good points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Hail Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Here are a few more. Definitely the most eye-opening revelations that I've seen on Twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Hail Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Starting to get more credible sources on this now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glduck Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 1 minute ago, All Hail said: Starting to get more credible sources on this now. this has been debunked. it’s from yesterday morning, prior to a meeting every having taken place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Hail Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Just now, glduck said: this has been deunked. it’s from yesterday morning, prior to a meeting every having taken place. Interesting. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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