Reminder that Oregon's only transitive property loss is to Washington

[Pac10duck]

Oregon lost to Washington, which has no losses.

 

Meanwhile, Alabama has lost to Texas, who lost to Oklahoma, who lost to both Oklahoma State and Kansas. Oklahoma State has a 33-7 loss to South Alabama. 

 

Texas also has close wins over Kansas State, TCU and Houston, and would have lost to Kansas State if KSU had just successfully handled the snaps on a PAT and/or a 25 yard field goal. Oregon's only somewhat close win was over Texas Tech.

 

I'm tired of hearing Alabama and Texas fans whine about being behind Oregon. If you want to make the playoffs, maybe you shouldn't develop transitive property losses to South Alabama.

[Orange]

Yet beating OSU was your best victory by far.   

[Pac10duck]

On 11/25/2023 at 11:16 AM, Orange said:

Yet beating OSU was your best victory by far.   

Utah and possibly even USC would still be ranked if we had acted like Texas and beaten those teams by the skin of our teeth.

 

[KUGRDON]

PAC PNW Standings:

UW 2-0

UO 2-1

WSU 1-1

OSU 0-3

 

[glduck]

Did Rick Neuheisel pay you to post that.

[Pac10duck]

Yeah. Nearly have a transitive property loss to New Mexico State as well.

 

Are they seriously still going to whine about being left out of the playoffs in favor of Oregon after that debacle? 

 

 

[Scscsc89]

On 11/25/2023 at 1:56 AM, Pac10duck said:

Oregon lost to Washington, which has no losses.

Meanwhile, Alabama has lost to Texas, who lost to Oklahoma, who lost to both Oklahoma State and Kansas. Oklahoma State has a 33-7 loss to South Alabama. 

Texas also has close wins over Kansas State, TCU and Houston, and would have lost to Kansas State if KSU had just successfully handled the snaps on a PAT and/or a 25 yard field goal. Oregon's only somewhat close win was over Texas Tech.

I'm tired of hearing Alabama and Texas fans whine about being behind Oregon. If you want to make the playoffs, maybe you shouldn't develop transitive property losses to South Alabama.

If I’ve learned anything about college football — especially Pac-12 football — it’s that arguing about your poll/bowl/playoff position before the regular season even ends is an invitation to get karmically kicked in the balls.

But best of luck to you. 🙂

[HLB]

On 11/25/2023 at 3:56 AM, Pac10duck said:

Oregon lost to Washington, which has no losses.

 

Meanwhile, Alabama has lost to Texas, who lost to Oklahoma, who lost to both Oklahoma State and Kansas. Oklahoma State has a 33-7 loss to South Alabama. 

 

Texas also has close wins over Kansas State, TCU and Houston, and would have lost to Kansas State if KSU had just successfully handled the snaps on a PAT and/or a 25 yard field goal. Oregon's only somewhat close win was over Texas Tech.

 

I'm tired of hearing Alabama and Texas fans whine about being behind Oregon. If you want to make the playoffs, maybe you shouldn't develop transitive property losses to South Alabama.

The PAC12, as a whole, has "zero" wins over any OOC opponent that is ranked in the CFP.

Cal lost to Auburn, and Arizona lost to Mississippi State.  And UW has narrowly defeated several teams, for several weeks.

Oklahoma State has also lost to UCF, but defeated ASU.

Oregon was very fortunate to beat Texas Tech - an unranked 6-6 team that just got destroyed by Texas 57-7 (something that Oregon couldn't do).

I'm geographically closer to both Alabama and Texas.  I haven't heard any fans from those two schools whine about being behind Oregon in the rankings.  Both teams know that if they win out, they will have better wins on their resumes than Oregon.  And neither team can control "transitive" losses that other schools accumulate, let alone "develop" those losses.

To that end, if Oregon is a "great" as you seem to think they are, perhaps they should have played BAMA, Texas, FSU, Georgia, or any other elite program for the OOC P5 opponent, at the start of the season, and not Texas Tech.  If Oregon had played BAMA's schedule or Texas' schedule, Oregon would have multiple losses right now.

Oregon is, where Oregon is, because they haven't played a strong schedule.  Again, no ranked OOC opponent.  Only UW and Oregon State are the only opponents currently ranked in the CFP (with OSU clinging to stay in).

And OSU didn't play a P5 OOC opponent, and three of their losses are to teams currently ranked in the CFP (Arizona, Washington and Oregon), with a fourth to 5-7 Wazzu.  Washington didn't play an OOC P5 opponent that is ranked in the CFP, and they have two wins over teams ranked in the CFP (Oregon and Oregon State).

If Oregon beats UW and makes the playoffs, they will get dismantled by UGA/BAMA or Texas, if they were to play anyone of the three in the CFP. 

There's a reason why Bo Nix struggled at Auburn, and not at Oregon:  Stronger competition in the SEC.  Look no further than Oregon's season opening 49-3 loss to UGA in 2022.  What did Bo do then?

If BAMA or Texas wants to make the playoffs, they should play a soft schedule like Oregon and UW have done.

[Pac10duck]

On 11/26/2023 at 3:47 AM, HLB said:

The PAC12, as a whole, has "zero" wins over any OOC opponent that is ranked in the CFP.

Cal lost to Auburn, and Arizona lost to Mississippi State.  And UW has narrowly defeated several teams, for several weeks.

Oklahoma State has also lost to UCF, but defeated ASU.

Oregon was very fortunate to beat Texas Tech - an unranked 6-6 team that just got destroyed by Texas 57-7 (something that Oregon couldn't do).

I'm geographically closer to both Alabama and Texas.  I haven't heard any fans from those two schools whine about being behind Oregon in the rankings.  Both teams know that if they win out, they will have better wins on their resumes than Oregon.  And neither team can control "transitive" losses that other schools accumulate, let alone "develop" those losses.

To that end, if Oregon is a "great" as you seem to think they are, perhaps they should have played BAMA, Texas, FSU, Georgia, or any other elite program for the OOC P5 opponent, at the start of the season, and not Texas Tech.  If Oregon had played BAMA's schedule or Texas' schedule, Oregon would have multiple losses right now.

Oregon is, where Oregon is, because they haven't played a strong schedule.  Again, no ranked OOC opponent.  Only UW and Oregon State are the only opponents currently ranked in the CFP (with OSU clinging to stay in).

And OSU didn't play a P5 OOC opponent, and three of their losses are to teams currently ranked in the CFP (Arizona, Washington and Oregon), with a fourth to 5-7 Wazzu.  Washington didn't play an OOC P5 opponent that is ranked in the CFP, and they have two wins over teams ranked in the CFP (Oregon and Oregon State).

If Oregon beats UW and makes the playoffs, they will get dismantled by UGA/BAMA or Texas, if they were to play anyone of the three in the CFP. 

There's a reason why Bo Nix struggled at Auburn, and not at Oregon:  Stronger competition in the SEC.  Look no further than Oregon's season opening 49-3 loss to UGA in 2022.  What did Bo do then?

If BAMA or Texas wants to make the playoffs, they should play a soft schedule like Oregon and UW have done.

 

 

Oregon State is "struggling to stay in" the top 25 because we beat them 31-7. If we had beaten Oregon State on a 4th and 31 play, there would be no question they'd still be ranked. Heck, if we had beaten Utah in a close game, Utah would still be ranked too.

 

You're basically arguing that Oregon should be punished for routing Oregon State and Utah. What a joke.

 

And "no control about what their oppenents do." So strength of schedule matters, unless you're analyzing what teams Alabama and UT have lost to? Do you think Oregon has any control over what the opponents they beat do?

 

 

And who fucking cares about the fact that 6-6 Auburn beat 6-6 Cal by 4 points because Cal missed something like 3 or 4 field goals in the game? Oh, Auburn is such a brutal opponent- they beat Cal by 4 points and lost to by 21 points to fucking New Mexico State, which is possibly the worst program in FBS over the last decade. Surely an Auburn vs Oregon game would have been decided by a 4th and 31 play.

 

 

And 9-3 Oklahoma State beat 3-9 Arizona State in a game they lead by just 2 points after 3 quarters? Wow, how spectacular. Oklahoma State is such a scary opponent that Oregon would probably lose to. 

 

What quality OOC wins does the SEC have, other than Kentucky beating a ridiculously overrated Louisville team? Even with that win, the SEC finished 4-6 vs the ACC this year. Nobody in the PAC except for Stanford has any NMSU type losses.

 

Interesting how you failed to mention Utah's 24-11 win over Florida in your post. Isn't 5-7 Florida a brutal SEC opponent? Florida has a 13 point win over  Tennessee, which is ranked despite being 8-4. Interesting how 8-4 Tennessee gets ranked and 8-4 Utah does not, even though Utah beat Florida and Tennessee lost to Florida.

[HLB]

On 11/26/2023 at 11:55 AM, Pac10duck said:

Oregon State is "struggling to stay in" the top 25 because we beat them 31-7. If we had beaten Oregon State on a 4th and 31 play, there would be no question they'd still be ranked. Heck, if we had beaten Utah in a close game, Utah would still be ranked too.

OSU is struggling to stay in the Top-25 because all of their wins came over opponents who are not ranked, and they played no P5 OOC opponent.  Bottom line, they can't run with the big dogs (and most likely will lose their bowl game).

On 11/26/2023 at 11:55 AM, Pac10duck said:

You're basically arguing that Oregon should be punished for routing Oregon State and Utah. What a joke.

I'm not arguing.  You are.  I'm just stating the fact that Oregon hasn't played a strong schedule.

 

On 11/26/2023 at 11:55 AM, Pac10duck said:

And "no control about what their oppenents do." So strength of schedule matters, unless you're analyzing what teams Alabama and UT have lost to? Do you think Oregon has any control over what the opponents they beat do?

You the one who stated:  "If you want to make the playoffs, maybe you shouldn't develop transitive property losses to South Alabama."  How can any team develop "transitive property losses"?  No one can control transitive property losses.

[HLB]

On 11/26/2023 at 11:55 AM, Pac10duck said:

And who fucking cares about the fact that 6-6 Auburn beat 6-6 Cal by 4 points because Cal missed something like 3 or 4 field goals in the game? Oh, Auburn is such a brutal opponent- they beat Cal by 4 points and lost to by 21 points to fucking New Mexico State, which is possibly the worst program in FBS over the last decade. Surely an Auburn vs Oregon game would have been decided by a 4th and 31 play.

Again, you are the one who has brought up transitive losses (which means nothing).  I was only pointing out that a bad Auburn team beat a PAC12 opponent, that you seem to think contributes to Oregon, Washington and OSU's strength of schedule.

And New Mexico State is 10-3 this season.  If you want to continue with your transitive rhetoric, then NMS is better than Cal, ASU, Wazzu, Stanford and UCLA - four of whom you want to point to as a part of Oregon's SOS.

And Auburn vs. Oregon might very well be decided by a 4th and 31 play - you don't know.  (Bo came from Auburn, where he struggled against SEC opponents.)

On 11/26/2023 at 11:55 AM, Pac10duck said:

And 9-3 Oklahoma State beat 3-9 Arizona State in a game they lead by just 2 points after 3 quarters? Wow, how spectacular. Oklahoma State is such a scary opponent that Oregon would probably lose to. 

OK STATE is not an overly strong team, but they might could beat Oregon.  Using your transitive examples, they beat Kansas State, who lost to 6-6 Texas Tech, who Oregon almost lost to (and should have lost to).  They beat Oklahoma, who beat Texas - two teams that Oregon could not beat.

 

On 11/26/2023 at 11:55 AM, Pac10duck said:

What quality OOC wins does the SEC have, other than Kentucky beating a ridiculously overrated Louisville team? Even with that win, the SEC finished 4-6 vs the ACC this year. Nobody in the PAC except for Stanford has any NMSU type losses.

No one in the PAC has a loss to a team like NMSU, because no one schedule NMSU.

No one in the PAC has any OOC wins over ranked opponents, such as Kentucky had with Louisville.

"ridiculously overrated Louisville team" .... Louisville soundly defeated ND, 33-20, who easily cruised past USC and Stanford (using your transitive examples) .... Lowly Mississippi State beat currently ranked Arizona .... Missouri beat currently ranked K-State

NMSU is a G5 opponent.  Stanford lost to Sacramento State an FCS opponent.  Big difference in caliber of team.

To that end, "every year" PAC12 teams lost to FCS opponents, and G5 opponents.  This year was not typical of those losses, although the PAC12 did maintain their steady stream of at least one loss to an FCS opponent.

The "ridiculously overrated" teams are Oregon and Washington - neither of who played a strong schedule; and both of who would (will) get beaten badly, in the CFP.  At least Louisville has a quality win over Stanford.

On 11/26/2023 at 11:55 AM, Pac10duck said:

Interesting how you failed to mention Utah's 24-11 win over Florida in your post. Isn't 5-7 Florida a brutal SEC opponent? Florida has a 13 point win over  Tennessee, which is ranked despite being 8-4. Interesting how 8-4 Tennessee gets ranked and 8-4 Utah does not, even though Utah beat Florida and Tennessee lost to Florida.

If you've paid any attention to my post, dating back to last January, I have long stated that Florida could not beat Utah in 2023.  Florida's program is a hot mess that Napier is trying to repair.  And this year, (and for about 10 years), Florida has not been a "brutal" SEC opponent.

You would have to ask the CFP committee why Tennessee is ranked, but Utah is not.  My guess is that three of Tennessee's loses have been to Georgia, BAMA and Missouri - three teams in the Top-10 that neither Washington or Oregon could beat. The outlier is Utah's blowout loss to Arizona, who lost to the 2nd worst team in the SEC, Mississippi State (using your transitive example).

[win2bfree]

On 11/26/2023 at 11:40 PM, HLB said:

No one can control transitive property losses.

You can control it by beating everybody.

[Quack 12]

On 11/27/2023 at 12:18 AM, HLB said:

three teams in the Top-10 that neither Washington or Oregon could beat.

To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, whom I'm sure you idolize: "There he goes again."

[utenation]

On 11/28/2023 at 1:17 PM, Quack 12 said:

To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, whom I'm sure you idolize: "There he goes again."

It’s almost as if HLB was turned down to get into all P12 schools academically. 

How else do you explain the fear, hate and insecurities of the P12?

[KUGRDON]

It’s not that hard to figure out, he’s here because he gets attention.  Probably more attention than he gets anywhere else.