MrBug708 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, RogueDuck said: I don’t see Sumlin as a upgrade. Why not go all in on Frost, Norvell or Campbell? I doubt Norvell goes out of respect for Graham, Frost can pick his alma mater, Nebraska, or Florida, and Campbell has a 9 million dollar buyout. Charlie Strong might be a good option, he wants out of USF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummy Dick Douglas Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 minute ago, MrBug708 said: I doubt Norvell goes out of respect for Graham, Frost can pick his alma mater, Nebraska, or Florida, and Campbell has a 9 million dollar buyout. Charlie Strong might be a good option, he wants out of USF This. Novel wouldn't come to ASU, plus he will have far better options available to him. Also don't think ASU would fire graham to then hire from his coaching tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaG Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 12 minutes ago, RogueDuck said: I don’t see Sumlin as a upgrade. Why not go all in on Frost, Norvell or Campbell? I don't see what is so special about Sumlin, either. He took teams with elite college QBs he didn't recruit, Houston with Keenum and aTm with Manziel, to very good, but not great, seasons. He then ran Kenny Hill out of aTm, and Hill now has TCU in the Big XII title game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBug708 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Like Taylor Kelly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mano Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Always thought Graham was kind of a douche, so don't feel bad for him, but was surprised to see him go after this season. I don't know what the ASU admin was expecting, but the Sundevils surpassed expectations that most any reasonable person would have. Unless they have a homerun hire lined up, this doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glduck Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 i too thought asu was geared up for a big 2018. someone is going to walk into a pretty good situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummy Dick Douglas Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 37 minutes ago, MrBug708 said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummy Dick Douglas Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 36 minutes ago, MrBug708 said: Like Taylor Kelly? yes. good old 2 star Taylor Kelly. Def the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBug708 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 18 minutes ago, Scummy Dick Douglas said: yes. good old 2 star Taylor Kelly. Def the same thing. You intentionally missed the point, right? He compares super favorably to Case Keenum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBug708 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Todd Graham- Hired on Dec 14 2011 by JCU Jim Mora- Hired on Dec 13 2011 by UCLA Kevin Sumlin- Hired on Dec 12 2011 by A&M Rich Rodriguez- Hired on Nov 22 2011 by UA All 4 coaches had big success there first 3 years Todd Graham 28 wins including 10 back to back 2013-2014 Jim Mora 29 wins including back to back 2013-2014 Kevin Sumlin 28 wins including 11 in 2012 Rich Rodriguez 28 wins including 10 wins 2014 All 4 hit a downward spiral after 2014 Todd Graham 18-19 Jim Mora 17-19 Kevin Sumlin 22-15 Rich Rodriguez 17-20 Highest AP rank Todd Graham #12 2014-2015 Jim Mora #10 2014-2015 Kevin Sumlin #5 2012-2013 Rich Rodriguez #19 2014-2015 Highest Recruiting Class Todd Graham #20 2015 Jim Mora #7 2013 Kevin Sumilin #5 2014 Rich Rodriguez #31 2014 Both Sumlin and Mora were able to bring in top 25 classes yearly and were mentioned in other jobs like -Texas/SUC/Washington/NFL 3 of them were able to bring in elite QBs Mora (Josh Rosen 2015) Sumlin (Kyle Allen 2014/Kyler Murray 2015) Graham (Brady White 2015) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueDuck Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 The last time A&M had a winning record in conference was 2012. In fact, that's the only time Sumlin had a winning record in conference. With a Heisman winning QB he was 6-2 in conference with losses to Florida and LSU. Sumlin never beat LSU. If you look at their schedules, they played a minimum of 3 directional schools per year, and one power-5 OOC. So the 7 wins he maintained fairly consistently included 3-4 gimmees. Recruiting rankings - #12, #8, #4, #12, #20, #11. So, he's a good recruiter who consistently wins about 3-4 games in conference play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBug708 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Schiano to Tennessee, Mullen to Florida at 7 million per year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummy Dick Douglas Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 57 minutes ago, MrBug708 said: Todd Graham- Hired on Dec 14 2011 by JCU Jim Mora- Hired on Dec 13 2011 by UCLA Kevin Sumlin- Hired on Dec 12 2011 by A&M Rich Rodriguez- Hired on Nov 22 2011 by UA All 4 coaches had big success there first 3 years Todd Graham 28 wins including 10 back to back 2013-2014 Jim Mora 29 wins including back to back 2013-2014 Kevin Sumlin 28 wins including 11 in 2012 Rich Rodriguez 28 wins including 10 wins 2014 All 4 hit a downward spiral after 2014 Todd Graham 18-19 Jim Mora 17-19 Kevin Sumlin 22-15 Rich Rodriguez 17-20 Highest AP rank Todd Graham #12 2014-2015 Jim Mora #10 2014-2015 Kevin Sumlin #5 2012-2013 Rich Rodriguez #19 2014-2015 Highest Recruiting Class Todd Graham #20 2015 Jim Mora #7 2013 Kevin Sumilin #5 2014 Rich Rodriguez #31 2014 Both Sumlin and Mora were able to bring in top 25 classes yearly and were mentioned in other jobs like -Texas/SUC/Washington/NFL 3 of them were able to bring in elite QBs Mora (Josh Rosen 2015) Sumlin (Kyle Allen 2014/Kyler Murray 2015) Graham (Brady White 2015) To be fair, recruiting to UCLA or TAMU =\= recruiting to ASU or UA. Just about any warm body can recruit top 20 classes to UCLA and A&M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBug708 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 And any warm body can get into ASU or Arizona, so it's a negligible difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueDuck Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 minute ago, MrBug708 said: And any warm body can get into ASU or Arizona, so it's a negligible difference Fake news. Neither of those schools have ever had a top 10 class, and while Arizona is producing more talent now, it’s not Texas or California talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 12 minutes ago, MrBug708 said: And any warm body can get into ASU or Arizona, so it's a negligible difference That could be said of many schools in CFB, that doesn’t mean good athletes go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaG Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 2 hours ago, MrBug708 said: You intentionally missed the point, right? He compares super favorably to Case Keenum Except Keenum is the starting QB for the Minnesota Vikings, and Taylor Kelly is doing whatever it is Taylor Kelly does these days. Kelly was nowhere near the college QB Keenum was, either. I'm not getting Bug's point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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