glduck Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 they have, and i still think they will. but i thought they could make a super bowl run with richardson in the fold. looking more like a divisional round exit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Orange Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Jalapeno said: I don't know if you're referring to the Trump/Kneeling debacle, but you're wrong, regardless (what else is new?) http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/sep/24/donald-trump/trumps-mostly-false-claim-nfl-ratings-are-way-down/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 On 9/15/2017 at 3:02 PM, All Hail said: I was reading an article and came across some ridiculous Aaron Rodgers stats now that he is 2 TD's away from 300. These stats are even more impressive when you consider the Packers have spent the 5th least on non-QB offensive players in the league. Imagine if GB was investing in Rodgers' supporting cast. Here's some fun with numbers: Player A and Player B have the exact same career completion percentage. Player A's career LOW interception percentage is 2.1%; Player B's career HIGH interception percentage is 2.1%. Player A's career QB rating is 83.7; Player B's career QB rating is 88.9 Player B is Colin Kaepernick. Player A is surefire hall-of-famer Eli Manning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBug708 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 A huge difference is Eli Manning won 2 super bowls and that's why hes going into the hall of fame, not because of his numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Hail Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 16 hours ago, MrBug708 said: A huge difference is Eli Manning won 2 super bowls and that's why hes going into the hall of fame, not because of his numbers He was handed that 1st Super Bowl. Defense played amazing and then he threw up a 4th down prayer that was answered. He did play well in the 2nd Super Bowl and that throw to Manningham was very clutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 20 hours ago, MrBug708 said: A huge difference is Eli Manning won 2 super bowls and that's why hes going into the hall of fame, not because of his numbers Is Trent Dilfer going to the Hall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBug708 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, Orange said: Is Trent Dilfer going to the Hall? Did Trent dilfer win two super bowls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBug708 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 3 hours ago, All Hail said: He was handed that 1st Super Bowl. Defense played amazing and then he threw up a 4th down prayer that was answered. He did play well in the 2nd Super Bowl and that throw to Manningham was very clutch. I was using win loosely because QBs generally get the most credit when their teams win super bowls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glduck Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 personally, i would argue against little brother making it in; not sure he's ever been a top 5 quarterback in any one given season. that said, he's getting in. in addition to those two super bowls, he's never hurt so by the time he's done he's going to have some lofty career numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Hail Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 11 minutes ago, glduck said: personally, i would argue against little brother making it in; not sure he's ever been a top 5 quarterback in any one given season. that said, he's getting in. in addition to those two super bowls, he's never hurt so by the time he's done he's going to have some lofty career numbers. I'm 50/50 on Manning the younger. As you said, the guy is made out of steel. He's taken a ton of hits in his career and never gets hurt -- or even shows any signs that he's hurt. The guy certainly has a clutch gene too and saves his best performances for the playoffs. However, he's lead the league in interceptions several times and has never come close to winning a regular season MVP. Don't you have to win an MVP award one time to be a hall of fame QB? If you never had an elite season then why are you hall of fame worthy? Is longevity and clutch performance enough? As an aside, Superbowl wins mean next-to-nothing to me when it comes to HOF discussions. Football is the ultimate team sport and Superbowls are rarely won by individuals. Give a mediocre qb like Sam Bradford that Ravens defense and he wins 2-3 superbowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUGRDON Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 4 hours ago, MrBug708 said: Did Trent dilfer win two super bowls? I'm just poking holes in your theory, don't mind me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBug708 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 14 minutes ago, Orange said: I'm just poking holes in your theory, don't mind me. Forgive me, but what was my theory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBug708 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 3 hours ago, All Hail said: I'm 50/50 on Manning the younger. As you said, the guy is made out of steel. He's taken a ton of hits in his career and never gets hurt -- or even shows any signs that he's hurt. The guy certainly has a clutch gene too and saves his best performances for the playoffs. However, he's lead the league in interceptions several times and has never come close to winning a regular season MVP. Don't you have to win an MVP award one time to be a hall of fame QB? If you never had an elite season then why are you hall of fame worthy? Is longevity and clutch performance enough? As an aside, Superbowl wins mean next-to-nothing to me when it comes to HOF discussions. Football is the ultimate team sport and Superbowls are rarely won by individuals. Give a mediocre qb like Sam Bradford that Ravens defense and he wins 2-3 superbowls. I agree that he shouldn't go to the HOF based on super bowl wins but the NFL is always been about legacy and what have you done and Super Bowls matter. Of he had no wins or even a single win, I doubt he sniffs it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glduck Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 i'd be a bad hall of fame voter because my metrics change constantly. eli is a no for me despite two super bowls and a career that will likely end top 10 in touchdowns and yards (i could be wrong, but longevity usually wins out in these categories) but i was on the kurt warner-for-the-hall of fame bandwagon the moment he retired despite kurt warner really only having five good seasons... but those five good seasons were AMAZEBALLS. i wouldn't have voted for him for his time with st. louis alone, and (ironically) he was dogshit in new york and gave way to eli, but combine his work with the rams and his career revival in arizona... that's gold, imo. i was really glad he got in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBug708 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 You make the Rams and Cards relevant, you get extra recognition. Whoever leads the Browns to a super bowl title probably gets in then and there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaG Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 4 hours ago, KUGRDON said: That's hilarious! He had to have made a cut back to the hole though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaG Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 1 hour ago, glduck said: i'd be a bad hall of fame voter because my metrics change constantly. eli is a no for me despite two super bowls and a career that will likely end top 10 in touchdowns and yards (i could be wrong, but longevity usually wins out in these categories) but i was on the kurt warner-for-the-hall of fame bandwagon the moment he retired despite kurt warner really only having five good seasons... but those five good seasons were AMAZEBALLS. i wouldn't have voted for him for his time with st. louis alone, and (ironically) he was dogshit in new york and gave way to eli, but combine his work with the rams and his career revival in arizona... that's gold, imo. i was really glad he got in. Add Terrell Davis to that as well, just based on what his teammates say about his ability as a back before that fluke knee injury while making a tackle. I was thrilled when both were voted Hall of Fame players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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