utenation Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 BTW, the next two P12 programs are: AZ: 35,19,11,4 and 1 title Utah: 30,16,6,4 and 1 title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 1 hour ago, KUGRDON said: Not to disrespect your post or UCLA’s basketball program, but if you take out John Wooden UCLA becomes pretty ordinary. That’s how amazing he was. Taking out Wooden’s numbers it’s: 34,20,9,6 and 1. I’d still call that impressive. I bet that’s better than 85-90% of the country. But you can’t exclude Wooden from this. Unless you also want to exclude Adolph Rupp with Kentucky and Dean Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtd Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 UCLA went to 3 straight final 4s 15 years ago or so. That's monumental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtd Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 1 hour ago, utenation said: BTW, the next two P12 programs are: AZ: 35,19,11,4 and 1 title Utah: 30,16,6,4 and 1 title lol Utah doesn't count . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, dtd said: UCLA went to 3 straight final 4s 15 years ago or so. That's monumental. I would also say UCLA has had the least amount of coaching stability the last 10-12 years of any of the elite programs I mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUGRDON Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 5 hours ago, utenation said: Taking out Wooden’s numbers it’s: 34,20,9,6 and 1. I’d still call that impressive. I bet that’s better than 85-90% of the country. But you can’t exclude Wooden from this. Unless you also want to exclude Adolph Rupp with Kentucky and Dean Smith. As I said, I was just emphasizing how important wooden was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Wayne Tinkle will match Ralph Miller for tourney success with one more win. He already has if you're inclined to believe the bullshit NCAA vacating the three tourney years in the early 80s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 55 minutes ago, Orange said: Wayne Tinkle will match Ralph Miller for tourney success with one more win. He already has if you're inclined to believe the bullshit NCAA vacating the three tourney years in the early 80s. It's cool that OSU fans have good things to cheer about. Football isn't quite there yet. but I think it will come. I love that OSU has a major chip on their shoulder from the disrespect they've had all year. It's carried them very far this season. They have a very legit shot at the E8, Loyola is very fundamentally sound but so is OSU.. Tinkle seems to be an excellent X's and O's guy too. IMO, we get two teams into the E8. USC and OSU.. Oregon/USC is a pretty even pick but I think the Mobley brothers are match up problems for any team and they are playing well. Coaching goes to Dana I think. Pretty hard choice honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUGRDON Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBug708 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 12 hours ago, KUGRDON said: Not to disrespect your post or UCLA’s basketball program, but if you take out John Wooden UCLA becomes pretty ordinary. That’s how amazing he was. To be fair, the whole point of mentioning "taking out John Wooden" is to disrespect UCLA. But I get it, emphasizing that Wooden was a big deal in the sport is one of those underground takes everyone forgets. Just grateful you didn't find time to mention Sam Gilbert, the free haircut guy haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBug708 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 10 hours ago, utenation said: I would also say UCLA has had the least amount of coaching stability the last 10-12 years of any of the elite programs I mentioned. Crazy enough, if UCLA's coaching performance over the past 40 years had happened anywhere else (maybe not Harrick), the leash would have been much shorter. Most other programs had competent AD's who didn't make shitty hires Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUGRDON Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 46 minutes ago, MrBug708 said: To be fair, the whole point of mentioning "taking out John Wooden" is to disrespect UCLA. But I get it, emphasizing that Wooden was a big deal in the sport is one of those underground takes everyone forgets. Just grateful you didn't find time to mention Sam Gilbert, the free haircut guy haha Really didn’t mean to start an argument or to disrespect UCLA. Disrespecting UCLA would counter the argument that Wooden is great because he “created” Ucla. The OP cited some amazing numbers posted by Ucla. Those numbers become incredibly amazing when you remember most were posted by one man in a relatively short period of time. Moreover the greatness Ucla has achieved post Wooden is also in good measure attributable to Wooden. Every coach they have hired and every player they have recruited came in part because Wooden created a blue blood even if they had never heard of Wooden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glduck Posted March 23, 2021 Author Share Posted March 23, 2021 1 hour ago, utenation said: It's cool that OSU fans have good things to cheer about. Football isn't quite there yet. but I think it will come. I love that OSU has a major chip on their shoulder from the disrespect they've had all year. It's carried them very far this season. They have a very legit shot at the E8, Loyola is very fundamentally sound but so is OSU.. Tinkle seems to be an excellent X's and O's guy too. IMO, we get two teams into the E8. USC and OSU.. Oregon/USC is a pretty even pick but I think the Mobley brothers are match up problems for any team and they are playing well. Coaching goes to Dana I think. Pretty hard choice honestly. I think USC is rightly favored by a few... they really kicked the shit out of us last month. You’re spot-on w/ the Mobley Bros, heck one of them was even out for our game (not Evan) and we struggled with their length. Huge coaching edge to Altman so we’ll see what he can cook up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 23 minutes ago, KUGRDON said: Really didn’t mean to start an argument or to disrespect UCLA. Disrespecting UCLA would counter the argument that Wooden is great because he “created” Ucla. The OP cited some amazing numbers posted by Ucla. Those numbers become incredibly amazing when you remember most were posted by one man in a relatively short period of time. I don't think it's an argument. Just fans being fans with talking points. Well, we are now splitting hairs. I agree 100% on John's impact. But you said UCLA's numbers are pretty ordinary with out him. I posted the numbers without him and they're pretty impressive. Like I said, probably better than 85-90% of the country. The numbers don't lie. You could also throw UConn in this conversation. Not quite as good overall as the others I mentioned, but they have 4 titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 22 minutes ago, glduck said: I think USC is rightly favored by a few... they really kicked the shit out of us last month. You’re spot-on w/ the Mobley Bros, heck one of them was even out for our game (not Evan) and we struggled with their length. Huge coaching edge to Altman so we’ll see what he can cook up... USC is favored by 2.5 right now. I think we have a good game coming. Like dtd said, it's just too bad the seeding put these two together in GU's bracket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 3 hours ago, utenation said: It's cool that OSU fans have good things to cheer about. Football isn't quite there yet. but I think it will come. I love that OSU has a major chip on their shoulder from the disrespect they've had all year. It's carried them very far this season. They have a very legit shot at the E8, Loyola is very fundamentally sound but so is OSU.. Tinkle seems to be an excellent X's and O's guy too. IMO, we get two teams into the E8. USC and OSU.. Oregon/USC is a pretty even pick but I think the Mobley brothers are match up problems for any team and they are playing well. Coaching goes to Dana I think. Pretty hard choice honestly. I didn't watch USC play, but I watched Oregon, and they looked damn good. I'd probably pick them. But given the state of my bracket, that means you're probably right. Loyola looks amazing. I'm happy only Sister Jean will be in the crowd, because we seem to play better in an empty arena. Can't wait to break that old lady's heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 53 minutes ago, Orange said: I didn't watch USC play, but I watched Oregon, and they looked damn good. I'd probably pick them. But given the state of my bracket, that means you're probably right. Loyola looks amazing. I'm happy only Sister Jean will be in the crowd, because we seem to play better in an empty arena. Can't wait to break that old lady's heart. USC absolutely crushed Drake and made Kansas look like a Jr high team. They are playing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azgreg Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 28 minutes ago, utenation said: USC absolutely crushed Drake and made Kansas look like a Jr high team. They are playing well. I would not be surprised if they beat Oregon and Gonzaga by double digits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, azgreg said: I would not be surprised if they beat Oregon and Gonzaga by double digits. Here’s where I’m banking on Dana to find a way to keep it close. Very good tourney coach. USC has had some very sloppy losses this year. But they are certainly playing top shelf right now. Gonzaga is the easy pick as a 1 seed but have they really been tested the second half of the season? The WCC is average at best. But Few might be the best coach in CBB. I’m not bold enough to pick them to lose yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azgreg Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 1 minute ago, utenation said: Here’s where I’m banking on Dana to find a way to keep it close. Very good tourney coach. USC has had some very sloppy losses this year. But they are certainly playing top shelf right now. Gonzaga is the easy pick as a 1 seed but have they really been tested the second half of the season? The WCC is average at best. But Few might be the best coach in CBB. I’m not bold enough to pick them to lose yet. They were tested once late in the season by BYU. USC will be the longest most athletic team they've faced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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