2023 P12 Football Thread

[Buff_Fan]

On 8/6/2023 at 11:18 PM, PAC MAN said:

Im stunned that the line is only -9…that should be at least -20.

It’s an sec school.  No way the books swing that dramatically.  (Now of course they will)

[EastCoastFan]

On 8/7/2023 at 1:18 AM, PAC MAN said:

Im stunned that the line is only -9…that should be at least -20.

It's probably because a 6-7 Florida team beat a 10-4 Utah team last year, cementing the "SEC is better" mentality of bettors.

[utenation]

On 8/6/2023 at 11:23 AM, HLB said:

I think Utah beats Florida at home.  Florida is a team trying to find a QB, and they have a lot of holes to fill.  Florida is two recruiting classes away from being relatively competitive - particularly in games like this one.

I think Baylor is also very winnable for Utah.

It would be a good start for Utah to open with wins over Fla. and Baylor.

UCLA, Cal, Colorado, ASU and AZ should all be wins for the Utes.

I think OSU and USC are losses (particularly because they are road games).  I think the OSU game is a trap game after going 4-0 to start the season.  It's one of those wins that gets away, for Utah, for reasons that aren't always explainable.

I think - at worst - Utah splits with Washington and Oregon.  They won't lose both, but they could win both.

I'm going with a 9-3 pre-season prediction.  Good luck.

I think Washington is beatable, for Utah, but USC is not.  I think Utah will be 

 

On 8/6/2023 at 11:46 AM, HLB said:

A big reason is because they have FSU, Miami, USF, UCF, FAU, FLA&M and FIU tugging on their shirt tails for games, along with political pressure.  They are mandated to play FSU every year.  It's not much different than Utah playing BYU every year, along with Utah State and Southern Utah tugging at them to play.

That being said, Utah has traveled outside the PAC12 footprint for OOC games, four times in the last 20 years:  At Michigan (08, 14), @NIU (18) and @Florida (last year).

If there was another P5 OOC opponent in the state of Utah, that would probably come before OOC opponents like Michigan.  It's what Florida is faced with, with Miami, where at one point, they were mandated to play them every year.  When you have two P5 OOC opponents (quality opponents at that) that are right in your back yard, it's hard to add a third P5 OOC opponent, that requires a team to travel.

FSU used to play both Florida and Miami, when they were an Independent.  And as an Independent, they traveled to play teams like Michigan, Auburn, ND, etc., because "all" of their games were OOC games, and they needed a schedule of quality opponents.

Nobody asked you what you think. Move along putz -------------------------------------------->

[utenation]

On 8/6/2023 at 11:18 PM, PAC MAN said:

Im stunned that the line is only -9…that should be at least -20.

Do you think Utah is playing South Florida?  Florida's problem isn't talent, it's coaching.  When you have that much talent on the field, there is always a chance they get it together, especially at the start of the year. 

Florida's 24/7 Recruiting Rankings the last 5 years:

2019 #9

2020 #9

2021 #12

2022: #18

2023 #13

Utah was favored by 3 last year in Florida. That was a very close line looking at the outcome. An 8-10 point swing with Utah being in SLC seems balls on accurate to me.  

 

[Trojan209]

On 8/6/2023 at 10:46 AM, HLB said:

A big reason is because they have FSU, Miami, USF, UCF, FAU, FLA&M and FIU tugging on their shirt tails for games, along with political pressure.  They are mandated to play FSU every year.  It's not much different than Utah playing BYU every year, along with Utah State and Southern Utah tugging at them to play.

That being said, Utah has traveled outside the PAC12 footprint for OOC games, four times in the last 20 years:  At Michigan (08, 14), @NIU (18) and @Florida (last year).

If there was another P5 OOC opponent in the state of Utah, that would probably come before OOC opponents like Michigan.  It's what Florida is faced with, with Miami, where at one point, they were mandated to play them every year.  When you have two P5 OOC opponents (quality opponents at that) that are right in your back yard, it's hard to add a third P5 OOC opponent, that requires a team to travel.

FSU used to play both Florida and Miami, when they were an Independent.  And as an Independent, they traveled to play teams like Michigan, Auburn, ND, etc., because "all" of their games were OOC games, and they needed a schedule of quality opponents.

You left out a bunch of games for Utah. @ Pitt 2011, @ ISU 2010, @ ND 2010 @ Louisville 2007, @ UNC 2005. It's convenient to say "outside the PAC footprint." But they didn't join the PAC until 2011. So if you include those games they played @ Oregon 2009,  @ Oregon State 2007, @ UCLA 2006, @ Arizona 2004, and since TCU didn't join the MWC until 2005 they also played @ TAMU in 2003. 

I would have more respect for Florida if that's what they were doing because, hey? Why not. But they've only scheduled those Florida teams a few times since they've moved up to D1. They've only played FSU & Miami in the same season 7 times since 1987. They're doing what most teams are doing by bringing in other G5 teams from out of state to play which is fine because it gives variety and then the 1 FCS team every year. While some SEC schools do tend to play 2 P5 teams most years Florida isn't one of those teams and for whatever reason isn't playing in-state G5 schools every year. 

 

 

[utenation]

On 8/10/2023 at 2:19 PM, Trojan209 said:

You left out a bunch of games for Utah. @ Pitt 2011, @ ISU 2010, @ ND 2010 @ Louisville 2007, @ UNC 2005. It's convenient to say "outside the PAC footprint." But they didn't join the PAC until 2011. So if you include those games they played @ Oregon 2009,  @ Oregon State 2007, @ UCLA 2006, @ Arizona 2004, and since TCU didn't join the MWC until 2005 they also played @ TAMU in 2003. 

I would have more respect for Florida if that's what they were doing because, hey? Why not. But they've only scheduled those Florida teams a few times since they've moved up to D1. They've only played FSU & Miami in the same season 7 times since 1987. They're doing what most teams are doing by bringing in other G5 teams from out of state to play which is fine because it gives variety and then the 1 FCS team every year. While some SEC schools do tend to play 2 P5 teams most years Florida isn't one of those teams and for whatever reason isn't playing in-state G5 schools every year. 

 

 

Yeah @HLB's post holds zero credibility. He really doesn't understand anything about Western Football and or the P12. Since day 1. Utah also gives good(sometimes) G5 schools home and homes.  SDSU is a good example. 12 win team in 2021. Comparing Utah's OOC schedule to Florida's is laughable.  Especially when it comes to having the balls to leave our respective states. It's more than Utah not having a bunch of P5 schools instate.

 

Using conference footprint for Utah is weak sauce. 

[Orange]

Wait a minute....something tells me this @HLB guy's not on the up and up....

[PAC MAN]

On 8/10/2023 at 1:53 PM, utenation said:

Do you think Utah is playing South Florida?  Florida's problem isn't talent, it's coaching.  When you have that much talent on the field, there is always a chance they get it together, especially at the start of the year. 

Florida's 24/7 Recruiting Rankings the last 5 years:

2019 #9

2020 #9

2021 #12

2022: #18

2023 #13

Utah was favored by 3 last year in Florida. That was a very close line looking at the outcome. An 8-10 point swing with Utah being in SLC seems balls on accurate to me.  

 

 

You might be right since UF has Mertz at QB who started a few seasons for Wisconsin and wouldn't be intimidated by the crowd but he has never dealt with the combination of high altitude & heat and this is the first long road trip the Gators have done in a long time.  They are not going to contend in the SEC this year either and was picked to finish 4th in the East Division by the media.

@HLB coming in fast to defend the SEC in 3...2...1...

[utenation]

On 8/10/2023 at 4:37 PM, PAC MAN said:

 

You might be right since UF has Mertz at QB who started a few seasons for Wisconsin and wouldn't be intimidated by the crowd but he has never dealt with the combination of high altitude & heat and this is the first long road trip the Gators have done in a long time.  They are not going to contend in the SEC this year either and was picked to finish 4th in the East Division by the media.

@HLB coming in fast to defend the SEC in 3...2...1...

95 degrees and 4700 feet should have all those southern boys that haven’t trained at high altitude sucking for air.  

Florida is a lot like Texas. Both schools have tons of talent but usually stink it up with the exception of the Meyer and SS eras.  
 

I don’t think Napier lasts long. 

[dtd]

On 8/2/2023 at 1:57 PM, Buff_Fan said:

Yup.  This is a different team/staff.  Time will tell how different.  Having a decent coaching staff and some talent matters.

Do you have either of those things?

[Buff_Fan]

On 8/10/2023 at 9:32 PM, dtd said:

Do you have either of those things?

Compared to last year, absolutely.  I’m excited, but a lot has to come together.

[azgreg]

On 8/10/2023 at 8:47 PM, Buff_Fan said:

Compared to last year, absolutely.

That's a pretty low bar.

 

[Buff_Fan]

On 8/11/2023 at 6:18 AM, azgreg said:

That's a pretty low bar.

 

100%.  The program will be better, just isn’t the same.  That said, the pac, is rough this year.  Ironic the conference will draw as well as it ever has.

[HLB]

On 8/10/2023 at 3:19 PM, Trojan209 said:

You left out a bunch of games for Utah. @ Pitt 2011, @ ISU 2010, @ ND 2010 @ Louisville 2007, @ UNC 2005. It's convenient to say "outside the PAC footprint." But they didn't join the PAC until 2011. So if you include those games they played @ Oregon 2009,  @ Oregon State 2007, @ UCLA 2006, @ Arizona 2004, and since TCU didn't join the MWC until 2005 they also played @ TAMU in 2003. 

The reference was to Florida playing outside the SEC footprint, implying the time period that Florida has been a member of the SEC.  In comparison, since Utah has been a PAC12, they've traveled 3 times outside the PAC12 footprint for OOC games:  Pitt, Michian and Florida.  They will travel to Baylor this year.

 

On 8/10/2023 at 3:19 PM, Trojan209 said:

I would have more respect for Florida if that's what they were doing because, hey? Why not. But they've only scheduled those Florida teams a few times since they've moved up to D1. They've only played FSU & Miami in the same season 7 times since 1987. They're doing what most teams are doing by bringing in other G5 teams from out of state to play which is fine because it gives variety and then the 1 FCS team every year. While some SEC schools do tend to play 2 P5 teams most years Florida isn't one of those teams and for whatever reason isn't playing in-state G5 schools every year. 

From 1969 until 1987, Florida played both FSU and Miami, every year, as dictated by state legislature.  During that period, Florida only played 3 OOC games, per year, in their 11-game schedule.

After 1987, Florida was no longer required to play Miami, but has played Miami 6 times, as a part of their regular season schedule, along with FSU.  Florida has continued to play FSU every year.

Through 2005, Florida played 11 regular season games.  From 1969-1987, two of those games were against Florida State and Miami.  In 1990, 1991, 1997, 2002 and 2003, Florida played two P5 OOC opponents, among their three OOC opponents.

When they (and the rest of CFB) moved to a 12-game schedule, in 2006, Florida has played two P5 OOC opponents in 2008, 2009, 2013, 2017, 2019, 2022 and in the upcoming season, 2023.

Looking ahead, Florida will play two P5 OOC opponents in 2024, 2025, 2027 and 2029.  They will play 3 P5 OOC opponents in 2026, 2028, 2031 and 2032.

They don't play in-state G5 opponents every year.  But they're not going to travel to play (i.e. Marshall University) because they would lose money playing in a smaller venue, where there is a small payout (which is no different than USC).

Since 1969, Florida has played two P5 OOC opponents in 31 of the last 55 years.

[utenation]

On 8/11/2023 at 7:48 PM, HLB said:

The reference was to Florida playing outside the SEC footprint, implying the time period that Florida has been a member of the SEC.  In comparison, since Utah has been a PAC12, they've traveled 3 times outside the PAC12 footprint for OOC games:  Pitt, Michian and Florida.  They will travel to Baylor this year.

 

From 1969 until 1987, Florida played both FSU and Miami, every year, as dictated by state legislature.  During that period, Florida only played 3 OOC games, per year, in their 11-game schedule.

After 1987, Florida was no longer required to play Miami, but has played Miami 6 times, as a part of their regular season schedule, along with FSU.  Florida has continued to play FSU every year.

Through 2005, Florida played 11 regular season games.  From 1969-1987, two of those games were against Florida State and Miami.  In 1990, 1991, 1997, 2002 and 2003, Florida played two P5 OOC opponents, among their three OOC opponents.

When they (and the rest of CFB) moved to a 12-game schedule, in 2006, Florida has played two P5 OOC opponents in 2008, 2009, 2013, 2017, 2019, 2022 and in the upcoming season, 2023.

Looking ahead, Florida will play two P5 OOC opponents in 2024, 2025, 2027 and 2029.  They will play 3 P5 OOC opponents in 2026, 2028, 2031 and 2032.

They don't play in-state G5 opponents every year.  But they're not going to travel to play (i.e. Marshall University) because they would lose money playing in a smaller venue, where there is a small payout (which is no different than USC).

Since 1969, Florida has played two P5 OOC opponents in 31 of the last 55 years.

None of this bullshit changes the fact that Florida hasn’t had the balls to play anyone out of their state in 30+ years. 
 

[Trojan209]

On 8/11/2023 at 6:48 PM, HLB said:

The reference was to Florida playing outside the SEC footprint, implying the time period that Florida has been a member of the SEC.  In comparison, since Utah has been a PAC12, they've traveled 3 times outside the PAC12 footprint for OOC games:  Pitt, Michian and Florida.  They will travel to Baylor this year.

 

From 1969 until 1987, Florida played both FSU and Miami, every year, as dictated by state legislature.  During that period, Florida only played 3 OOC games, per year, in their 11-game schedule.

After 1987, Florida was no longer required to play Miami, but has played Miami 6 times, as a part of their regular season schedule, along with FSU.  Florida has continued to play FSU every year.

Through 2005, Florida played 11 regular season games.  From 1969-1987, two of those games were against Florida State and Miami.  In 1990, 1991, 1997, 2002 and 2003, Florida played two P5 OOC opponents, among their three OOC opponents.

When they (and the rest of CFB) moved to a 12-game schedule, in 2006, Florida has played two P5 OOC opponents in 2008, 2009, 2013, 2017, 2019, 2022 and in the upcoming season, 2023.

Looking ahead, Florida will play two P5 OOC opponents in 2024, 2025, 2027 and 2029.  They will play 3 P5 OOC opponents in 2026, 2028, 2031 and 2032.

They don't play in-state G5 opponents every year.  But they're not going to travel to play (i.e. Marshall University) because they would lose money playing in a smaller venue, where there is a small payout (which is no different than USC).

Since 1969, Florida has played two P5 OOC opponents in 31 of the last 55 years.

I’m only seeing 1 P5 opponent in the regular season for 2009.

[John from Berkeley]

Do you know if there are any people getting together to discuss the Pac-12, either in-person or virtually?

I have been following this heartbreaking saga and it would be great to talk to people about this.

I personally hope that the conference survives!

Thanks so much,

John

[MrBug708]

JFC Deion. He was the only coach who didn't want to answer the question. Not just the P12, but all 133 coaches.

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[EastCoastFan]

On 8/19/2023 at 2:19 PM, MrBug708 said:

JFC Deion. He was the only coach who didn't want to answer the question. Not just the P12, but all 133 coaches.

Yeah, it's clear Sanders wanted to avoid controversy.  He's a guy who simply doesn't like to ruffle anyone's feathers.

/s

[glduck]

My JFC goes to Dilly. Train? Is he my 58 year old aunt?